"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." — Eric Schmidt
That quote (or a variant thereof) is actually often used to defend government surveillance. It's a version of the "if you've got nothing to hide, you have no reason to oppose government surveillance" argument.
I'm Swedish, not Finnish, but Finland do have Swedish as an official second language, due to the fact that Finland was part of Sweden for hundreds of years.
Unfortunately, you are correct. Because otherwise, I could have made a bad joke about "fiskar" meaning plural of "fish" in Swedish, which certainly relates to submersion in water.
The difference is in my (faulty) assumption that the original poster was "someone who has intellectual issues with religionS" - instead of being "actually a religious extremist, with cultural and religious biases bordering on racism".
I do have intellectual issues with religion, I just don't pussyfoot around them as is nowadays required to avoid the "racist" label, at least when dealing with Islam. Christianity seems to be fair game for attack by the left, while Islam apparently is sacred and needs to be treated with silk gloves, or you're labeled a "racist". But anyone who can think for themselves understand that contempt for religion has nothing to do with race, and that accusations of racism are just attempts to silence dissent, nothing else.
Me, a religious extremist? Well, if it's "extremism" to expose religious hypocrisy and other nonsense to the point of ridicule, and/or show contempt for barbaric religions and their practices, them I guess I'm a (atheist) "religious extremist". A word of warning though, unless you want the term "religious extremist" to be diluted, just like the word "racist" has been the last couple of years, I'd advise keeping the "religious extremist" label for actual violent extremists.
As for cultural and religious biases, well, you got me there. I think western civilization is far superior than Islamic "civilization", and I'm not the least ashamed to admit this. As for religion, I think it is all a big load of junk. But some junk is pretty harmless (e.g. Buddhism), some junk is silly, while other junk is pretty dangerous (Islam). Especially as the latter is treated with silk gloves by much of the establishment here in the west. And this infuriates me a lot. I think Christianity is pretty silly, but it's already getting more than its fair share of derision and contempt. Islam also strongly needs this treatment, but it isn't happening, because of misguided notions of "cultural sensitivity" or "every religion is equal, just different".
Cause, you see, anything that you and the poster above are trying to ascribe to one particular religion can be ascribed to any other just as well. No religion is a religion of peace no more than it is a religion of war.
Ah, the silly notion that all religions are equal, just different. I think facts speak for themselves here, only someone with large blinders could continue pushing this outdated idea. There are many religions in this world, and they subscribe to radically different values. Some religions preach more peaceful values and other religions preach violence and hate. I don't believe in any of them, but I don't hesitate to admit the difference between them.
As for the term "religion of peace", it is an image that Islamic apologists have been pushing since the 9-11 attacks, but because of the almost 20000 terrorist attacks carried out since 9-11 by Muslims in the name of Islam, the term "religion of peace" is now used mostly in a sarcastic and mocking manner by people critical of Islam.
Exposing ALL religions as irrelevant and often contradictory sets of harmful superstitions is a moral act
As I said, religions are different, and it is grotesque to suggest that you can never criticize specific religions for their specific teachings. Today, Islam happens to be the worst of the worst, so it by far deserves the harshest treatment by critics all over the world. If there comes a time when mainstream Islam becomes like Irshad Manji's harmless version of Islam, I and many others would have nothing to complain about. But until then, we will continue to single out Islam as the worst religion there is and as a threat to civilization as we know it. And no fake labels of "racism" or "xenophobia" can scare us away any longer, those words have lost their edge because of incessantly repeated overuse by people trying to stifle free speech and stigmatize dissent. Well, it's not working any longer.
Sure, it certainly is absolutism, but I can't really see that the following applies:
When that happens,
If you're a pacifist, you can't really vanquish evil, so you shouldn't be a threat to the rest of us, even if you might think that we are evil.
Oh, by the way, where is my appeal to authority?
Regardless what you think about that concept, it's already in the guidelines. So, if you want to apply it consistently, unemotionally, geekily, you'd ban this video
Except that it doesn't demean any group of people based on their religion, it demeans the religion itself (which is not banned by their Community Guidelines). There is a difference, and that is why Google didn't pull the video, according to their own statement.
I am saying they would not be offended had they been grown-ups rather than little children with even littler egos.
Even grown-ups can be offended, but most grown-ups shrug it off, write a letter to the editor of their favorite newspaper or posts an article on their blog. The ability to control your anger over petty offenses are actually an important part of adulthood at least in my part of the world. Here, when people whine about being offended by something, they are told to grow up and grow a thicker skin. On the other hand, when Muslims are offended and start rioting, people start making excuse after excuse about how that is how they are and that we must stop offending them. Nobody says anything similar about e.g. religious satire directed at Christians. Piss Christ? Refreshingly provocative. The prophet M. as a roundabout dog? That's suddenly an unconscionable offense by a failed racist artist.
I'm an atheist, but I'm sick and tired of this difference in how the media treat different religions. I'm all for satirizing all of them, but the (mostly left-wing) journalists think that we should pussyfoot around Islam while attacking Christianity with the full force of the toolbox of satire. That's starkly hypocritical, in my opinion.
Nice misspelling of prophet (as "profit") in the picket signs.
Aside from that, it's nice to see that some sane voices exist even in the Muslim world.
If that happens, the diplomatic fallout will be ENORMOUS, especially with the potential of oil supply reduction or even cutoff to Western countries and any eastern Asian country allied to the West.
Oh, that's easy. Invade Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states, and you have all the oil you ever want. Besides, you might liberate the country from its oppressive leadership stop the flow of Saudi funds for extremist mosques and other Islamist pressure groups in the west. That would be a huge favor and we would be eternally thankful to anyone cutting off the air supply to this scourge.
After the fatwas against Salman Rushdie and cartoonists the violent reaction is predictable.
So we should treat them not like humans, but like an unstoppable force of nature? I'd say that we hold those people committing violence to account, and not the producers of this film or any film, cartoon, article or whatnot. Freedom of speech is sacred, much more sacred than any god or prophet or scripture, and that is exactly what we should be telling the Muslim world today, instead of cowering when faced with the very predictable Muslim violence, apologizing for our core values such as free speech and condemning filmmakers, while making excuse after excuse for "predictably" violent Muslim reactions.
They want to shove Islam and its blasphemy laws down our throats by force. It's time we start shoving free speech and religious satire down their throats by force. And no, I don't believe in the possibility of peaceful coexistence with unreformed Islam, there will always by conflict and tension, and no anti-hate-speech laws or anti-blasphemy regulations can do anything about that. It can temporarily give the appearance of peace, but it's like welding a safety valve shut in an operating steam boiler. Some day, the boiler breaks, and when it does, it does so with a bang.
No wonder nationalist and anti-islam parties are on the rise in Europe.
Saying that the original act didn't cause the riots afterwards is ignoring the evidence of a very clear chain of cause and effect.
What you are actually saying is that Muslims are not humans but robots, which are hardwired to react in a certain way to certain input, and thus cannot be held responsible for what they do.
If you are actually after a positive result you shouldn't "attack" their superstition. Don't stoop to that level. Instead, expose it. Both to reason and to the truth.
What's the difference? Exposing Islam for what it is will undoubtedly be viewed as an attack on their faith by devout Muslims. So let's stop pussyfooting around Islam and let them know time and time again exactly what we think of their backward, intolerant and violent religion. A purported "religion of peace" according to its apologists, but when someone says it isn't, they are usually threatened with violence. Thus, it's a "religion of peace" in the same way that North Korea is a "people's democratic republic".
What you, in essence, are saying is that Muslims are robots which can be predicted with high accuracy to respond to religious offense with violence, and since it is instinctive (hardwired) and not a conscious decision, they can't be held to account. A bit like a force of nature. As we know, gravity can't be held to account when a chunk of ice falls from a building and kills a passersby. In this case, the building owner can be charged with negligent homicide for failing to remove the ice from the roof.
Or, you could view Muslims as human beings, who can consciously choose between violence or non-violence when he is offended, and thus be held to account for that choice. If he chooses a violent response, he should be punished for it, not the guy causing the offense. After all, anything can be offensive to someone, and banning people from offending others would grind society to a halt, as nobody would be able to say pretty much anything.
Sam Harris evidently disagrees with you. In this video, he explains that unlike Islam, which is often called a "religion of peace" by many of its apologists, Jainism is really a religion of peace. As Harris says, "The crazier you get as a Jain, the less we have to worry about you. Jain extremists are paralyzed by their pacifism.
Excuse the language but my sincerest fuck you, being a muslim i find this highly offensive.
I find Islam and many of the values it promotes to be highly offensive.
Let's all be insensitive about each others culture, I'm sure we will have a better society.
So if you want to be sensitive towards my values, you would need to ban Islam from public life. Do you think that this is a good idea? Or, you and your muslim brethren could just grow a backbone and not throw a hissy fit as soon as someone mocks your religion, culture and/or values, and I'll do the same for you.
I'd suggest that if we discard the hot-button issue of race, we'd find that generally there is almost always (at least) a single-digit difference between what people SAY they're going to vote for, and what they ACTUALLY vote for.
The Bradley Effect does not only apply to issues of race, it applies to all issues in some way related to political correctness, i.e. issues where there exist significant social pressures to think in a certain way. Environmentalism is an example of such an issue, and at least here in Sweden, the Green Party pretty much always get significantly higher results in the polls than in the actual elections. Advocating for environmentalist policies (especially policies regarding anthropogenic climate change) is highly politically correct in Sweden, and the poll vs election results closely resembles what the Bradley Effect predicts. The Sweden Democrats are affected in the opposite way. Being critical of Islam and in favor of restricting immigration (on cultural and religious grounds) are highly politically incorrect positions and consistently show lower poll results than actual election results, just like the Bradley Effect predicts.
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