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Comment Re: Isn't it strange... (Score 1) 229

Wow, so you really are claiming that theres more racism and systemic discrimination now than there was in the 1940s. Good to know.

I didn't say that. Reread my post. The people of those decades put systems in place to oppress and destroy black communities and actively encouraged racism. We're still feeling the effects of these actions and hopefully recovering from it. Things aren't as bad as they were and there are signs that we are recovering as a country.

Racism didn't go away in the new century. Institutionalized racism still exists. And this goes to the highest levels of power. Lee Atwater's southern strategy that he was very candid about was not long ago. His kind are back in power in the current administration.

Let's imagine racism ended completely in 2008. White people have still had decades to build up generational wealth since the 1940s. That is a huge privileged head start in life.

Indian american households in the US tend to come from a lot of privilege. My parents were college educated and had a safety net in the form of family to run back to in India if things really went south. They experienced racism. My dad was assaulted once and didn't report anything because he didn't want to cause a fuss. This was in the midwest in the 90s. The guy who hired him probably wasn't thrilled to be hiring a brown man after 6 months of struggling to find someone. He was upset my dad drove to work in a Japanese car. My dad promptly went out and bought a Ford. There were many times where we were made to feel out of place and uncomfortable. That shit takes a psychological toll.

My dad definitely worked a lot harder than most Americans and his health is not great now because of that fact. He also had a lot more starting advantages than most black Americans.

African immigrants from many countries also often come from very privileged educated backgrounds with a strong family support network. They can take bigger risks like my parents did. They might even be more mentally resilient to racism without any expectation of fitting in a strange new country. That seemed to be the case for my parents. I'm probably more traumatized than they are, and I had it super easy in comparison.

Their privileged backgrounds are also a factor in the selection bias if you just look at the income of immigrants. There is an element of crazy tenacity of people going to place where they know they won't even remotely fit in, but they also had a huge head start.

There is plenty of evidence of actual institutional racism against black people. Studies show black women in pain aren't taken seriously by the medical system. Studies show that resumes with black names aren't being called in for interviews. There is evidence that redlining still happens with banks. Then there is the opposite problem where banks started to target poor black communities with predatory loans. There was the famous case of the Wells Fargo loan officer talking about the stupid "mud people" he was taking advantage of.

And if you don't think there isn't institutionalized racism in police departments you should talk to cops with a few beers in them. It's amazing what a racist will share with a quiet person who just listens politely.

Comment Re:I'm sorry - this is damn stupid (Score 2) 324

Holy shit. You aren't kidding. Even the font on his site evokes Nazism. In the 90s when they were given shit for their weird supposedly satanic imagery, and I had their back. But they straight up hired a weird satanic Nazi to make art for them. Even if I tried hard and gave the Hitler Jesus and Nazi font a pass as an unfortunate coincidence, I couldn't look past the Hitler memes he references on his Facebook.

Comment Re: Isn't it strange... (Score 1) 229

They shouldn't have to work many times harder than a white person. Yes there is a path to success with some hard work and luck, but the deck is still stacked against them. To deny that it isn't harder is willful ignorance(lunacy?). Just because there is a path to some success doesn't mean we should ignore a broken system.

There was far less wealth disparity between blacks and whites in the 1960s than there is today. If "racism" and "systematic opression" were the explanation, you'd have to argue that our society is more racist and more oppressive today than it was in the 1940s-1960s.

Lots of new systems have been put in place since the 1940s to target black people. The war on drugs, the southern strategy, massive voter suppression. Instead of burning down healthy black neighborhoods like in the 20s, eminent domain and redlining was used to destroyed them. Why do you think we aren't feeling the effects of this stuff today?

Systems don't disappear over night. Neither do their effects. Even systems with good intentions can have bad outcomes and end up being inherently racist. Things have gotten better recently in a lot of ways. Police shootings have dropped significantly in urban areas with better training. Though they've somehow spiked in suburbs and rural areas for some reason.

You put racism in scare quotes as if it isn't real. Are you honestly trying to have a dialogue? Are you arguing in even remotely good faith.

Comment Re:It's the *New World Order* (Score 1) 12

'Gone With the Wind" was taken off HBO too. Fuck it. They should just cut the power

That's not censorship. The government was not involved here, so who gives a shit. The culture is changing. In the past lenny bruce and george carlin were sent to jail for their stand up acts. The religious right and the nanny left were talking at length about passing legislation controlling music lyrics. Today a private company is making a decision about some shitty piece art it wants to promote on its platform.

The new world order of the US, in this respect at least, is way better than than it used to be. Go buy it on DVD if you want to watch it. You can find content on HBO discussing Tienanmen square if you'd like to watch that instead.

Comment Re:Isn't it strange... (Score 1) 229

The immigrant populations earn significantly more (and for some groups higher than the national average) and make up the majority of black students at elite colleges despite only being a minority of the total black population.

If anything that is a sign of systematic oppression. They were born into a broken system where the African immigrants were not. Their manner of speech, mode of dress, psychological damage, overly imprisoned parents and so on are all set against them in interactions in the US. There is also going to be strong selection bias if you look at immigrants. They are people who were in a position to leave everything familiar to them. Thy might be ready to work twice as hard and ready to accept and ignore all kinds of obstacles set against them than the average American.

How can anyone support that? It's the exact opposite of what should be done. It's maddening. It's so irresponsible and misguided that you'd almost think it were intentional. It's like a group that wants to end global warming describing how they're going to accomplish it by increasing the amount of carbon that they release in the air.

They have to accept the reality as it is. Providing a support network for those without that nuclear family structure seems critical. They said they want to disrupt the "requirement". I could interpret what you're saying to mean we should just entirely give up on kids born into single parent homes or who are entirely orphaned.

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