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Comment Re: Now this is super nice! (Score 1) 206

Note that "the more realistic infection rate is three to five times higher than tested confirmed statistics" means that confirmed infections lag behind actual infections by merely seven to nine days. It's not a qualitatively different situation. You really should not play the numbers game. The hospitals are already in distress. The situation is bad and it's obvious to anybody who cares to look. It really doesn't matter if 100000 people are infected or 500000. There is much more than enough potential for more people to become infected, completely overwhelming treatment capacity. This will result in skyrocketing mortality. Young people are much more likely to survive than old people, but they do get severely sick too and need treatment. If they can't get it, because there are too many sick people, then they die regardless of their young age.

Comment Re:One way or the other, it ends with herd immunit (Score 1) 179

It is not yet known how long immunity to this new corona virus will last. Immunity to the other similar virus types lasts from 2 to 10 years. If immunity turns out to be rather short, we may need regular vaccinations, like for the flu, or rely on early detection and better antiviral treatments. We may also try to eliminate it "completely" by being very vigilant about detection and isolating any new cases when COVID-19 is on the decline.

Comment Re:Evidence of hysteria? (Score 2) 349

Whoever developed that "death rate is probably lower than expected" play hopefully becomes one of the severe cases. It's not about the death rate under ideal circumstances, you numbnuts. People of all ages are in ICUs for treatment that they need to survive. Younger people are highly likely to survive with treatment, but they die if the treatment isn't available because you idiots don't understand that the point of "flattening the curve" isn't to limit who gets it but how quickly people get it. China has acted a lot more responsibly than YOU.

Comment Re:Low death rate (Score 1) 440

1000 deaths count against those who were known to be infected a week ago. Newer cases are most likely not represented in the death toll, but are already in the current case count. The number of cases increases by 20% a day, which means it multiplies by 3.5 per week. In conclusion, the 1000 deaths came from about 60000 cases. The actual mortality, as far as the statistics can be relied on this early, is 1.7%, and that's before hospitals run out of ventilators.

Comment Re:An interesting view on it all (Score 2) 100

My brother treats people who have COVID-19 and he says it's not affecting just the elderly, it's going to leave long lasting or permanent damage in severe cases, resources are almost down to where they need to start making triage decisions and this is with strong "flatten the curve" measures. Generally speaking, only a few got it so far and virtually nobody is immune, so not doing anything is just accepting that the load on the hospitals will be several times what they can bear and that will make the mortality shoot through the roof. The people need treatment, whether you know the name of the virus or not. If the UK wants to be the control group after all, well, sucks for the people who won't have a say in it.

Comment People like to tack on their ideology. (Score 1) 369

There will be people who benefit enormously from the Coronavirus. Decisions on that scale shift a lot of money. People are justifiably skeptical about big claims. Profiteers like to use times of crisis. Tacking ideology ("capitalism has failed") onto scientific discussions is one of the ways they try to create the change that benefits them. Much easier to hide shenanigans than when everything runs smoothly and people have time to question big changes.

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