You spoke like a true marketing man! Amen brother! I think a glance at the stock for the previous 10 years for IBM, Oracle, HP, SUN, SGI will show you the pattern -> it goes down to China. Wake up. Get a cold shower. SUN made almost all the bad moves in the book the last few years. They are playing they last cards now and if there was a bet I'd put my money on "The DEC and now SGI" spot for SUN. Look at the bright side of the SUN, Oracle and IBM are making money by _smartly_ using SUN's inventions. They're in for The Eclipse, in a few years the only picture left will be an ear-to-ear smiling Ballmer on their webpage.