To install that kind of spyware on THEIR OWN computers???

I just do not understand the compelling reason to install google shit on YOUR computer.. why??

Do you not know that their business model as privacy parasitism? If not, this is (or was anyhow.. shrug) probably not the news site for you.

PS: if "gmail" is your reason to volunteer to be assraped by those assholes you are either a lay bastard or a stupid bastard

If you elect that stupid sleazebag of an asshole for president, you are going to learn a lesson in humility, the hard way, and you are going to deserve it to !

some danish guy with 2000+ years of waring/democratizing in the backpack, and btw best of luck to you :-)

I must confess that i havent upgraded ubuntu a lot from one relaese to the next. Debian on the other hand, i have dozens of servers with a LOT of applications dating back to sarge, that has all been upgraded to newest stable.

The most troublesome in my experince when upgrading Linux machines (debian or Ubunutu) is when there is a major shift in DE. Like from KDE 3.x to 4.x.

One thing that keeps impressing me is my laptop, i have been using the same installation (kubuntu 10.04) in three diffrent machines, just yank the disk, transfer it to the new machine and boot it up... not ONE reboot :-) just plugNplay (dell d620, d630 and a newish core i7 (also dell, all intels. havent tried intel-> AMD))

Exactly, i have run my own (and a free account for all my friends, family and acquaintances for years. Postfix + amavis (+ fail2ban) takes care of almost all spam, no problems so far.

Off course allmost everybody is, apparantly wiling to sell out their privacy to the giant data-parasites like google for a little convenience.

Cant belive the goooooogle evangelist in here get to score five in anything but "funny"?

You cant upgrade Windows. Period. (from bitter experience)

(unless its a pristine install of the older version that has never been touched, but then whats the point :-) )

yeah.. programming for the FUCKING webbrowsers is just soo simple, consistent and enjoyable, i envy my developer colleagues every day (sysadmin, myself) MUARRRHARHARH

"thin clients.." my ass, who the hell is stupid enough to believe that it is possible to have the same functionality in the browsers as in a fat client without the same amount of complexity ??

Everybody it seems!

Try common of the shelf PC hardware.

We have been running OpenBSD on old AMD dual core MBs for quite some time now. The machines are fitted with an intel quad port GB adapter. but otherwise there completely standard PC's. We have a bunch of these MB's and every component is easily replaceble. We have two identical machines running side by side, so when its time to upgrade, we yank the cables from one box to the other. We have been contemplating to use CARP for failover, but i'm a firm beliver in simple things (the importance of KISS can't be overstated).

Throughput and stabilty is great. We de a lot of webhosting and have a lot of S2S IPSEC tunnels.

Furthermore the OpenBSD boxes can do some tricks that the trained monkeys, with their Checkpoint, cisco, juniper and so on at our customers sites , typically have never heard of (like port based ipsec routing for example).

If you have the knowhow, an "enterprise" firewall with all the service agreements, licensing costs and other thievery is just money out the window.

You nailed it Sir
I am running a lot of services of standard PC hardware. Modern PC's are insanely highpowered. Im running a fair amount of AMD t1100 (6 cores and 16 GB DDR3 RAm with ECC) with SSD disks in a mirror as DB servers. Off course this kind of setup requires extra care to test backup/restore procedures.
On the positive side any component in these boxes are extrremely easy to replace.
No "4 hour, on site" service contract beats the ability to pull a standard PSU, motherboard or RAM stick of the shelf and sticking it in to the server!!
And best of all these boxes are dirt cheap :-)
Off course you will never get the same performance from a single box with this setup, but in a lot of cases (at least for us) this is not necessary.

Try common of the shelf PC hardware. We have been running OpenBSD on old AMD dual core MBs for quite some time now. The machines are fitted with an intel quad port GB adapter. but otherwise there completely standard PC's. We have a bunch of these MB's and every component is easily replaceble. We have two identical machines running side by side, so when its time to upgrade, we yank the cables from one box to the other. We have been contemplating to use CARP for failover, but i'm a firm beliver in simple things (the importance of KISS can't be overstated). Throughput and stabilty is great. We de a lot of webhosting and have a lot of S2S IPSEC tunnels. Furthermore the OpenBSD boxes can do some tricks that the trained monkeys, with their Checkpoint, cisco, juniper and so on at our customers sites , typically have never heard of (like port based ipsec routing for example). If you have the knowhow, an "enterprise" firewall with all the service agreements, licensing costs and other thievery is just money out the window.

"You can't even daydream about something new without getting sued for infringing multiple patents anymore." Thats a nice sentence. You just made it into the QOTD of my webmail service login page :-) . sincerely Brian btw: howthehell do i make a newline in this fucking editor?... RANT: ... man i hate web2.0, and feel lucky everyday i dont have to program for a fucking webbrowser like the poor guy opposite me in office.

Forget about the low-brow haters. They will never be able to enjoy something like this. You can have an IQ of 170 and still be a complete idiot about anything outsite your field of expertise.

Just install fail2ban: http://www.fail2ban.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page And set it to something like 6 hours locktime. Really cleans up the logfiles and takes the load of the server, espicially with SMTP. Regards Brian Simonsen

Unless you are a newbie you run Vanille debian on everything (Linux (unless you are the masochistic RPM type)). "Debian is only for nerds..." it is so hard to configure..." whine.. whine.. whine.." Thats all just bullshit. Debian is not significantly harder to configure and use. On the other hand it is a LOT more stable and predictable. and doesn't suffer from "the fad og the month syndrome" like Ubuntu.

I Run OpenBSD on a lot of our critical infrastructure systems. I do this for a lot of reasons, but foremost because their uncompromising attitude toward code and documentation. Just one easy attainable proof of the quality of this project is to look at the simplistic beaty of the html from this page: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#WhatIs (CTRL - U).

Comments and documentation about the code is probably necessary, but where i work as a sysadmin/customer consultant. my main problem is that not even the runtime configuration options are documented by our cowboy developers (microsoft style, you know with an ini file without a single comment). Off course the devs whine everytime they have to do support because nobody but themselves have a chance in hell to understand whats going on, but them selves! i am contemplating putting a wall between their dev systems and ANY demo system. so that only a sys admin can install their code for demos ? (forcing them to make the application deployable by someone who havent acually written the f****** code.)