Once I had the standard application pages so that it all groked correctly, and built my temporary DB on the other partition of the Mainframe, it took me only about 6 hours to write the program that DP was telling us was impossible to do. You should have seen the face of my managers face when I walked into his office carrying a very thick ream of printouts with the all the answers he needed that day. Once the DP manger got finished being chewed out by the president of the company, that same program, utilizing the Big-Iron mainframe and with a direct connection to the actual database, it took over 6 man-months to write the same in COBOL. DP offered me a job writing Cobol, and I said no, turned professional a couple of months later and never looked back. I decided solving problems was more fun than pushing parts through a factory.