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Comment Yet another religous apologist? (Score 1) 1123

So, what's Elaine Ecklund's religion?

Religion has absolutely no place in science. When religion gets the chance, as has been shown again and again, it tries to tell us unscientific facts about the world.
To say that religion doesn't make any claims about the physical world is either false, or produces a religion with nothing in it.

Can't we just outgrow fairy tales as a way to explain the world already?

Comment Re:Subset of logic, debate (Score 1) 1142

Debate is in no way a subset of logic.
You could call it a subset of rhetoric (from wikipedia: Rhetoric normally explains the three arts of using language as a means to persuade.), though.

I wonder if the debate classes usually taught in US schools actually harms students' logical and skeptical thinking? A winner of a debate need in no way have the facts on his/her side, he/she just needs to be more persuasive and a better speaker.

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Submission + - Microsoft bought Swedens ISO vote on OOXML ?

a_n_d_e_r_s writes: The vote on OOXML looked fairly secured for a No vote in Sweden. Most in the Working Group In Sweden was against the vote to approve OOXML. Suddenly on the day of the vote more companies showed up at the door, some 20 more companies — each one payed about $2500 to be allowed to vote — and vote they did. Most of the new companies was strangely enough partners from Microsoft who suddenly out of the blue joined the working group, payed membership fees and voted yes for approval.

From being a fairly negative group the working group suddely had a huge majority of yay-sayers who voted for Sweden to approve OOXML as an ISO standard.

For those that want to buy the Swedish vote on an ISO standard — it only cost about $50 000 — its not too much money for anyone that want there own bought and payed for ISO standard.

This has started to brew in Sweden and the newspapers are right now starting to write about the coup against the SIS — Swedens Standards Institute http://www.sis.se/ . The workings groups position can be changed if the power to be at SIS wants to — so its not over yet.

OS2World writes about it:

http://www.os2world.com/content/view/14868/1/

Patrik Fältströms blogg about it:

http://stupid.domain.name/node/382

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