Journal Journal: Open letter to Ubuntu Community 1
Already for certain time I have been user of Ubuntu GNU/Linux. And all this time I have felt comfortable using the distro, although it's far from being perfect (nothing is it), it's the one that adapts more to my necessities. I always thought that the community of Ubuntu was a well organized growing community and, with the adequate support of the maximum responsibles in charge of the distribution. Nevertheless to the light of some events that happened in http://www.ubuntu-es.org it is that I have realized that something serious is happening behind that apparent organization.
The problem in ubuntu-es.org arose when certain people, taking advantage of the lack of attention that received the site decided that it was moment for solving it by passing his administration to other users, which I think is correct. And the problem is that these people absolutely do not do it by the good of the community, but they take advantage of the situation to benefit personally. What kind of benefits can be obtained from a communitarian work? We all know how Ubuntu was originated and that a company is managing the commercial part of the distro, Canonical. We all know who it's "owner", Mr. Mark Shuttleworth. The problem lies in which by the same characteristics of the structure of the community many people think that obtaining merits they can accede to some benefit (merchandising, reputation or financial support) on the part of Ubuntu or Canonical. This is something that is felt very well being within the community, but nobody says it. The certain thing is that the forums, the channels of IRC, the LoCoTeams (Local Colaborative Teams) are plagued of people thus, waiting its moment to be able to promote a step and are mixed with the enormous amount of people who collaborate every single day. They are there, hoping, any thing that can take them to the top and locate them in a position of privilege over the other users. These people use the community to achieve their personal goals.
Luckyly the problems in ubuntu-es.org have been solved and the site and the community seem to have received a fresh air whiff. But, who has been left in charge of the web site administration?. One of the present people in charge of the site is Emilio Pozuelo (aka pochu), who is very involved with Ubuntu being one of testers of the iso's of each release. Below I a add log of a private chat made after the meeting of February 5th that was called by Jono Bacon (aka jono) to debate the problems of the spanish speaking community (mysteriously nobody has assumed the responsibility of summoning Jono as mediator in the resolution of problems, it was done behind the community and without having exhausted all the previous instances according to the official guide of resolution of problems within a LoCo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoResolvingProblems). In that chat subsequent to the meeting participated: pochu, jenda (Jenda Vancura), magicfab (Fabian Rodriguez, team leader of the LoCoTeam of Colombia) and beuno (Martin Albisetti, team leader of the LoCoTeam of Argentina), all of them ubunteros that have signed the Code of Conduct of Ubuntu. It took place in a channel named #ubuntu-spanishlocos at irc.freenode.net (using official Ubuntu denomination for irc channels), as soon as the meeting with Jono had finished.
If you read carefuly you will notice how these people try to decide from the shadows the future of ubuntu-es (sharing the Spanish-speaking community like pieces of cake), simultaneously Jenda emits racist commentaries talking about "some peruvian".
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* pochu is going to have dinner
<MagicFab> anyways, in keeping the nomenclature, would you agree to frequentlyjoin #ubuntu-locoteams-es ?
<pochu> see you now, if you don't go away ;)
<beuno> yes, it's just another auto-join
<beuno> I'd really like a central place to discuss all spanish speaking comunity related topics
<MagicFab> beuno -> I propose a channel for spanish loco team contacts
<jenda> I propose:
<jenda> 1) Creation of Spain team
<jenda> 2) Giving it a channel - probably not #ubuntu-es
<jenda> 3) Creation of a pan-spanish council
<jenda> probably with reps from each spanish speaking team.
<MagicFab> jenda, unless you are a spanish member, and others support that, I don't see it hapening
<MagicFab> but I'd support it
<beuno> I fully agree with you jenda, the only problem remains if jono, por the CC will aprove of not conforming to naming standards
<MagicFab> so anyways, see you around, or at #ubuntu-co if all else fails ;)
<jenda> MagicFab: pochu is the spanish member here, and there are others in spain who could create a locoteam...
<MagicFab> jenda, ok, missed that part
<jenda> MagicFab: but how can they when there already is a spanish locoteam in the hands of some Peruvian ****?
* jenda cools down :)
<beuno> jenda is generally helpfull, doesn't really matter where he's from
<MagicFab> jenda, good question. Jono (or the ops) can't possibly prevent any and every person from using ubuntu in their org/team/group name.
<jenda> heh
<jenda> it's not about using ubuntu
<jenda> MagicFab: it's about the official spanish locoteam being Pelicano and his boys...
<jenda> if there are indeed any boys...
<MagicFab> jenda, It's also about that. Otherwise I could start a "Linux Latinoamérica" group with Ubuntu chapters and as long as current Ubuntu members that care don't notice, I can build a fairly big community, pretending it's "Official"
<MagicFab> Latinamericans are know for being very good at that :)
* MagicFab has to go
* beuno laughs
<MagicFab> bueno, ahora sí,... chau
<pochu> sorry
<beuno> gracias MagicFab
<pochu> I lost my connection
<pochu> <jenda> I propose:
* MagicFab (n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab) ha abandonado #ubuntu-spanishlocos ("Imposible ? Así empieza todo.")
<pochu> what?
<pochu> :)
<pochu> jenda: that's what I've said ;)
<pochu> hehe
<jenda> pochu: yes
<jenda> it's what I said in the email, too, though :)
<jenda> except for the council - that was your idea.
<pochu> :)
* pochu and jenda think the same
<pochu> jenda: hi brother! :)
<jenda> ツ
<pochu> well, I've just read it
<pochu> but don't like this: <MagicFab> jenda, It's also about that. Otherwise I could start a "Linux Latinoamérica" group with Ubuntu chapters and as long as current Ubuntu members that care don't notice, I can build a fairly big community, pretending it's "Official"
<pochu> there is no need in doing that
<pochu> I think we can solve now the things
<pochu> and the council is a better idea IMO
<jenda> hmm
<beuno> well, I got Lastent from the peru team to agree with this idea
<beuno> so I think everybody just didn't know what was going on and asumed the worst
<jenda> bad solution by MagicFab.
<jenda> ok, I'll be sending v2 of the email now.
<pochu> jenda: cc please :)
<beuno> I'm really regretting not being able to attend the next loco meeting...
<jenda> yes
<jenda> cc to Seveas, too.
<pochu> jenda: you will be the honour member of the spanish community :)
<jenda> haha
<jenda> :)
<jenda> I can't wait till the next UDS, then :)
<jenda> Will you pay for my trip to Spain? :)
* jenda runs
<beuno> well, jenda is learning latin so it's not too far off
<jenda> hehe
<pochu> :)
<jenda> beuno: damn, why am i not learning latin right now? :)
<beuno> heheh
<beuno> well, because I'm in the room
<jenda> hehe
<jenda> beuno, pochu - feedback on the email, round 2, please? :)
* beuno reads jenda's email
<pochu> of course :)
* beuno_ (n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) ha entrado en #ubuntu-spanishlocos
<jenda> muhehe
<beuno_> jenda, good, although I would of liked the "translation" problem addresed
<beuno_> but maybe I'm getting too far ahead of myself
<jenda> hmm
<jenda> translation problem - it should be headed by the pan-span council, right?
<beuno_> yes
<pochu> what translation problem?
<pochu> the ubuntu-es-l10n team?
<beuno_> to unify translation criterias
<beuno_> and have a more active team then the current one
<pochu> beuno_: right, though I think they are unified now
<pochu> well, there are a little problems with the l10n team
<beuno_> ;)
<jenda> who leads it?
<pochu> but carlos is organising the team, and living it
<pochu> carlos, from #launchpad
<beuno_> I've had to talk to carlos a few times
<pochu> he is a canonical dev
<pochu> from spain
<pochu> so have I ;)
<beuno_> yes, but he doesn't have the time
<pochu> but there is a team, and it's unified
<pochu> exact :)
<jenda> ok
<jenda> so, can I leave it out for now?
<pochu> but he wants to leave the team (when there is somebody that can sustitute him)
<pochu> jenda: sure, IMHO
<pochu> I think that's not really a problem
<pochu> at least beside the others one :)
<pochu> other ones :)
<jenda> ok
<beuno_> jenda: that's fine, it there's a council, then it will naturally progress from there
<jenda> yes.
<pochu> :)
<jenda> so... anything else?
<beuno_> uhm, I split up with my gf a few weeks ago, wanna give that a crack?
<pochu> gf?
<beuno_> gf = novia = girlfriend
<jenda> hehe :)
<beuno_> que es un chiste ;)
<jenda> sure, I can mention it.
<beuno_> lol
<beuno_> please don't, heheheh
* beuno se ha marchado (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
<jenda> ...and beuno split up with his girlfriend. There should be a channel set up...
<jenda> hehe
<beuno_> ROFL
<pochu> :)
<pochu> ROFL?
<beuno_> pelicano just made a valid point, where where are all the spanish speaking "ubuntu members" in this?
<pochu> :(
<beuno_> ROFL = rolling on the floor laughing
<pochu> spanish?
<pochu> jenda
<pochu> I'm at time?
<pochu> or have you sent the mail?
<jenda> not yet, no.
<pochu> well
<pochu> This council
<pochu> could organise the spanish speaking teams.
<pochu> it should be spanish speakign team
<pochu> not teams
<jenda> yes?
<pochu> teams are self organiced
* beuno_ se ha marchado (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
<pochu> but the community onw
<pochu> one
<pochu> (like ubuntuforums)
<jenda> organise, as in coordinate their activities - what they do together.
<jenda> Not organise each of them.
<pochu> yes
* beuno_ (n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) ha entrado en #ubuntu-spanishlocos
<jenda> I'll make it clear.
<pochu> jenda: and organise the international one
<pochu> maybe
<pochu> I think one member (maybe the contact)
<jenda> This council
<jenda> could organise the cooperation of spanish speaking teams.
<pochu> of each country would be fine
<pochu> but that doesn't matter now :)
<jenda> I'd say the more the merrier ;)
<pochu> jenda: but not 30 people
<pochu> if there are 15 countries
<pochu> and there are more, sure
<pochu> beuno_ how many spanish speaking in south and centre america?
<pochu> jenda: the CC have 4 members
<jenda> (how many of them will actually participate?)
<beuno_> not sure, but 30 sounds right
<pochu> I think 10~15 is fine :)
<pochu> now, about 5-10
<pochu> not sure
<jenda> well, details.
<beuno_> although I don't think they're more then a dozen in total active in ubuntu
<pochu> colombia, peru, argentina, spain, chile
<pochu> wait
<pochu> let me see
<jenda> ok, so I'm sending.
<pochu> bolivia
<pochu> cuba
<pochu> costa rica
<pochu> republica dominicana
<pochu> el salvador
<pochu> guatemala
<pochu> jamaica
<pochu> mexico
<pochu> nicaragua
<beuno_> jamaica?
<pochu> that's it
<pochu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
<pochu> beuno_ jamaica is spanish, right?
<pochu> Jamaica
<pochu>
<pochu> DavidBain
<pochu>
<pochu> Soon
<pochu>
<pochu> #ubuntu-jm
<pochu>
<pochu> Soon
<pochu>
<pochu> Soon
<pochu>
<pochu> Soon
<pochu> ups
<pochu> soon :)
<pochu> hehe
<beuno_> pochu: no, I don't think so
<pochu> ok, didn't know :)
<jenda> hehe
<jenda> sent
<pochu> english
<pochu> jenda: thanks :)
<beuno_> yeah, jenda, thanks
* beuno_ es ahora conocido como beuno
<jenda> thanks for helping me finish it up :)
<jenda> now... 22:45... hmm...
* jenda goes study a bit more :)
<pochu> jenda: india?
<pochu> wooh!
<jenda> yep
<pochu> :)
<pochu> little far ;)
<jenda> ツ
<beuno> I won't be at the LoCo one, so maybe you can bring this up, jenda?
<jenda> when is it?
<beuno> sunday
<pochu> what?
<jenda> sunday
<jenda> hmm
<jenda> I could make it.
<jenda> I have an Ubuntu CZ RL meeting before, though.
<jenda> I'll be drunk! ;)
<pochu> what are you talking about?
<jenda> pochu: locoteams meeting.
<jenda> sunday 22 UTC
<pochu> oh
<pochu> locoteams!
<pochu> hehe
<pochu> sure
<pochu> :)
<pochu> I'll be there :)
<beuno> LOL
<beuno> I have no way of making it, I'll be traveling at that point
<jenda> ok...
<jenda> I guess we're done in this channel?
<pochu> sure
* jenda goes back to studying.
<pochu> :)
<jenda> good luck with this, guys.
<jenda> (as I won't be here for the meeting)
<pochu> good luck with your exams jenda :)
<beuno> thanks, have fun with your moon speak
<pochu> jenda
<jenda> thanks :)
<jenda> beuno: one more thing...
<pochu> the meeting is the 19
<jenda> beuno: how did you want me to bring it up?
<pochu> won't you be here?
<jenda> pochu: no - I'm leaving on 17
<pochu> oh
<pochu> :(
<pochu> ok
<beuno> jenda, bring what up?
<jenda> beuno: the -es issue.
<jenda> <beuno> I won't be at the LoCo one, so maybe you can bring this up, jenda?
<beuno> oh
<pochu> jenda: i'll be there
<pochu> so we can talk about it in jabber
<beuno> well, just bring up the idea of a spanish council
<jenda> cool.
<jenda> beuno: shouldn't that wait for the -es meeting?
<pochu> beuno: we can talk also :)
<beuno> a few of the spanish LoCos will be there
* jenda thinks it should.
<pochu> maybe
<pochu> bye
<beuno>
well, I'd prefer this is talked over as many times as possible
<pochu> I'm going with the dog
<beuno> pochu: yes, we're in touch
<pochu> see you!
<jenda> laters
* jenda (n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda) ha abandonado #ubuntu-spanishlocos ("Mastermind your mind in ##chess! GNU Chess battles soon!")
* pochu se ha marchado (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
* pochu (n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net) ha entrado en #ubuntu-spanishlocos
* beuno se ha marchado (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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I dare to say that Jenda should be expelled from Ubuntu and banned permanently from freenode, but that is another subject. Previous administrator of www.ubuntu-es.org, xuzo (Luis Lopez), was informed of this situation but anyway he granted the administration to pochu. Also jono was informed and he said that he was going to analyze it and yet hasn't emited answer.
In my opinion Ubuntu is a great distro. There should be more enterprises so commited to the Free Software as Canonical but some issues must be treated Carefuly for the sake of the community, Canonical, Ubuntu and GNU/Linux itself. The Community Council can be integrated by great personalities of the world of Free Software, perhaps now that Eric Raymond has became user of Ubuntu might became member of it, but things like the ones I commented above cannot happen nor be tolerated.
By such reasons it is that I have decided to quit completely to everything related to the "official" community of Ubuntu. I will continue using Ubuntu GNU/Linux as my Operating System, I will continue collaborating with the community, in the way I can, since I have done it until now, without persecuting no personal benefit.
--
Guillermo Patterer (aka guillote_GNU)
The problem in ubuntu-es.org arose when certain people, taking advantage of the lack of attention that received the site decided that it was moment for solving it by passing his administration to other users, which I think is correct. And the problem is that these people absolutely do not do it by the good of the community, but they take advantage of the situation to benefit personally. What kind of benefits can be obtained from a communitarian work? We all know how Ubuntu was originated and that a company is managing the commercial part of the distro, Canonical. We all know who it's "owner", Mr. Mark Shuttleworth. The problem lies in which by the same characteristics of the structure of the community many people think that obtaining merits they can accede to some benefit (merchandising, reputation or financial support) on the part of Ubuntu or Canonical. This is something that is felt very well being within the community, but nobody says it. The certain thing is that the forums, the channels of IRC, the LoCoTeams (Local Colaborative Teams) are plagued of people thus, waiting its moment to be able to promote a step and are mixed with the enormous amount of people who collaborate every single day. They are there, hoping, any thing that can take them to the top and locate them in a position of privilege over the other users. These people use the community to achieve their personal goals.
Luckyly the problems in ubuntu-es.org have been solved and the site and the community seem to have received a fresh air whiff. But, who has been left in charge of the web site administration?. One of the present people in charge of the site is Emilio Pozuelo (aka pochu), who is very involved with Ubuntu being one of testers of the iso's of each release. Below I a add log of a private chat made after the meeting of February 5th that was called by Jono Bacon (aka jono) to debate the problems of the spanish speaking community (mysteriously nobody has assumed the responsibility of summoning Jono as mediator in the resolution of problems, it was done behind the community and without having exhausted all the previous instances according to the official guide of resolution of problems within a LoCo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoResolvingProblems). In that chat subsequent to the meeting participated: pochu, jenda (Jenda Vancura), magicfab (Fabian Rodriguez, team leader of the LoCoTeam of Colombia) and beuno (Martin Albisetti, team leader of the LoCoTeam of Argentina), all of them ubunteros that have signed the Code of Conduct of Ubuntu. It took place in a channel named #ubuntu-spanishlocos at irc.freenode.net (using official Ubuntu denomination for irc channels), as soon as the meeting with Jono had finished.
If you read carefuly you will notice how these people try to decide from the shadows the future of ubuntu-es (sharing the Spanish-speaking community like pieces of cake), simultaneously Jenda emits racist commentaries talking about "some peruvian".
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* pochu is going to have dinner
<MagicFab> anyways, in keeping the nomenclature, would you agree to frequentlyjoin #ubuntu-locoteams-es ?
<pochu> see you now, if you don't go away
<beuno> yes, it's just another auto-join
<beuno> I'd really like a central place to discuss all spanish speaking comunity related topics
<MagicFab> beuno -> I propose a channel for spanish loco team contacts
<jenda> I propose:
<jenda> 1) Creation of Spain team
<jenda> 2) Giving it a channel - probably not #ubuntu-es
<jenda> 3) Creation of a pan-spanish council
<jenda> probably with reps from each spanish speaking team.
<MagicFab> jenda, unless you are a spanish member, and others support that, I don't see it hapening
<MagicFab> but I'd support it
<beuno> I fully agree with you jenda, the only problem remains if jono, por the CC will aprove of not conforming to naming standards
<MagicFab> so anyways, see you around, or at #ubuntu-co if all else fails
<jenda> MagicFab: pochu is the spanish member here, and there are others in spain who could create a locoteam...
<MagicFab> jenda, ok, missed that part
<jenda> MagicFab: but how can they when there already is a spanish locoteam in the hands of some Peruvian ****?
* jenda cools down
<beuno> jenda is generally helpfull, doesn't really matter where he's from
<MagicFab> jenda, good question. Jono (or the ops) can't possibly prevent any and every person from using ubuntu in their org/team/group name.
<jenda> heh
<jenda> it's not about using ubuntu
<jenda> MagicFab: it's about the official spanish locoteam being Pelicano and his boys...
<jenda> if there are indeed any boys...
<MagicFab> jenda, It's also about that. Otherwise I could start a "Linux Latinoamérica" group with Ubuntu chapters and as long as current Ubuntu members that care don't notice, I can build a fairly big community, pretending it's "Official"
<MagicFab> Latinamericans are know for being very good at that
* MagicFab has to go
* beuno laughs
<MagicFab> bueno, ahora sí,... chau
<pochu> sorry
<beuno> gracias MagicFab
<pochu> I lost my connection
<pochu> <jenda> I propose:
* MagicFab (n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab) ha abandonado #ubuntu-spanishlocos ("Imposible ? Así empieza todo.")
<pochu> what?
<pochu>
<pochu> jenda: that's what I've said
<pochu> hehe
<jenda> pochu: yes
<jenda> it's what I said in the email, too, though
<jenda> except for the council - that was your idea.
<pochu>
* pochu and jenda think the same
<pochu> jenda: hi brother!
<jenda> ツ
<pochu> well, I've just read it
<pochu> but don't like this: <MagicFab> jenda, It's also about that. Otherwise I could start a "Linux Latinoamérica" group with Ubuntu chapters and as long as current Ubuntu members that care don't notice, I can build a fairly big community, pretending it's "Official"
<pochu> there is no need in doing that
<pochu> I think we can solve now the things
<pochu> and the council is a better idea IMO
<jenda> hmm
<beuno> well, I got Lastent from the peru team to agree with this idea
<beuno> so I think everybody just didn't know what was going on and asumed the worst
<jenda> bad solution by MagicFab.
<jenda> ok, I'll be sending v2 of the email now.
<pochu> jenda: cc please
<beuno> I'm really regretting not being able to attend the next loco meeting...
<jenda> yes
<jenda> cc to Seveas, too.
<pochu> jenda: you will be the honour member of the spanish community
<jenda> haha
<jenda>
<jenda> I can't wait till the next UDS, then
<jenda> Will you pay for my trip to Spain?
* jenda runs
<beuno> well, jenda is learning latin so it's not too far off
<jenda> hehe
<pochu>
<jenda> beuno: damn, why am i not learning latin right now?
<beuno> heheh
<beuno> well, because I'm in the room
<jenda> hehe
<jenda> beuno, pochu - feedback on the email, round 2, please?
* beuno reads jenda's email
<pochu> of course
* beuno_ (n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) ha entrado en #ubuntu-spanishlocos
<jenda> muhehe
<beuno_> jenda, good, although I would of liked the "translation" problem addresed
<beuno_> but maybe I'm getting too far ahead of myself
<jenda> hmm
<jenda> translation problem - it should be headed by the pan-span council, right?
<beuno_> yes
<pochu> what translation problem?
<pochu> the ubuntu-es-l10n team?
<beuno_> to unify translation criterias
<beuno_> and have a more active team then the current one
<pochu> beuno_: right, though I think they are unified now
<pochu> well, there are a little problems with the l10n team
<beuno_>
<jenda> who leads it?
<pochu> but carlos is organising the team, and living it
<pochu> carlos, from #launchpad
<beuno_> I've had to talk to carlos a few times
<pochu> he is a canonical dev
<pochu> from spain
<pochu> so have I
<beuno_> yes, but he doesn't have the time
<pochu> but there is a team, and it's unified
<pochu> exact
<jenda> ok
<jenda> so, can I leave it out for now?
<pochu> but he wants to leave the team (when there is somebody that can sustitute him)
<pochu> jenda: sure, IMHO
<pochu> I think that's not really a problem
<pochu> at least beside the others one
<pochu> other ones
<jenda> ok
<beuno_> jenda: that's fine, it there's a council, then it will naturally progress from there
<jenda> yes.
<pochu>
<jenda> so... anything else?
<beuno_> uhm, I split up with my gf a few weeks ago, wanna give that a crack?
<pochu> gf?
<beuno_> gf = novia = girlfriend
<jenda> hehe
<beuno_> que es un chiste
<jenda> sure, I can mention it.
<beuno_> lol
<beuno_> please don't, heheheh
* beuno se ha marchado (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
<jenda>
<jenda> hehe
<beuno_> ROFL
<pochu>
<pochu> ROFL?
<beuno_> pelicano just made a valid point, where where are all the spanish speaking "ubuntu members" in this?
<pochu>
<beuno_> ROFL = rolling on the floor laughing
<pochu> spanish?
<pochu> jenda
<pochu> I'm at time?
<pochu> or have you sent the mail?
<jenda> not yet, no.
<pochu> well
<pochu> This council
<pochu> could organise the spanish speaking teams.
<pochu> it should be spanish speakign team
<pochu> not teams
<jenda> yes?
<pochu> teams are self organiced
* beuno_ se ha marchado (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
<pochu> but the community onw
<pochu> one
<pochu> (like ubuntuforums)
<jenda> organise, as in coordinate their activities - what they do together.
<jenda> Not organise each of them.
<pochu> yes
* beuno_ (n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) ha entrado en #ubuntu-spanishlocos
<jenda> I'll make it clear.
<pochu> jenda: and organise the international one
<pochu> maybe
<pochu> I think one member (maybe the contact)
<jenda> This council
<jenda> could organise the cooperation of spanish speaking teams.
<pochu> of each country would be fine
<pochu> but that doesn't matter now
<jenda> I'd say the more the merrier
<pochu> jenda: but not 30 people
<pochu> if there are 15 countries
<pochu> and there are more, sure
<pochu> beuno_ how many spanish speaking in south and centre america?
<pochu> jenda: the CC have 4 members
<jenda> (how many of them will actually participate?)
<beuno_> not sure, but 30 sounds right
<pochu> I think 10~15 is fine
<pochu> now, about 5-10
<pochu> not sure
<jenda> well, details.
<beuno_> although I don't think they're more then a dozen in total active in ubuntu
<pochu> colombia, peru, argentina, spain, chile
<pochu> wait
<pochu> let me see
<jenda> ok, so I'm sending.
<pochu> bolivia
<pochu> cuba
<pochu> costa rica
<pochu> republica dominicana
<pochu> el salvador
<pochu> guatemala
<pochu> jamaica
<pochu> mexico
<pochu> nicaragua
<beuno_> jamaica?
<pochu> that's it
<pochu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
<pochu> beuno_ jamaica is spanish, right?
<pochu> Jamaica
<pochu>
<pochu> DavidBain
<pochu>
<pochu> Soon
<pochu>
<pochu> #ubuntu-jm
<pochu>
<pochu> Soon
<pochu>
<pochu> Soon
<pochu>
<pochu> Soon
<pochu> ups
<pochu> soon
<pochu> hehe
<beuno_> pochu: no, I don't think so
<pochu> ok, didn't know
<jenda> hehe
<jenda> sent
<pochu> english
<pochu> jenda: thanks
<beuno_> yeah, jenda, thanks
* beuno_ es ahora conocido como beuno
<jenda> thanks for helping me finish it up
<jenda> now... 22:45... hmm...
* jenda goes study a bit more
<pochu> jenda: india?
<pochu> wooh!
<jenda> yep
<pochu>
<pochu> little far
<jenda> ツ
<beuno> I won't be at the LoCo one, so maybe you can bring this up, jenda?
<jenda> when is it?
<beuno> sunday
<pochu> what?
<jenda> sunday
<jenda> hmm
<jenda> I could make it.
<jenda> I have an Ubuntu CZ RL meeting before, though.
<jenda> I'll be drunk!
<pochu> what are you talking about?
<jenda> pochu: locoteams meeting.
<jenda> sunday 22 UTC
<pochu> oh
<pochu> locoteams!
<pochu> hehe
<pochu> sure
<pochu>
<pochu> I'll be there
<beuno> LOL
<beuno> I have no way of making it, I'll be traveling at that point
<jenda> ok...
<jenda> I guess we're done in this channel?
<pochu> sure
* jenda goes back to studying.
<pochu>
<jenda> good luck with this, guys.
<jenda> (as I won't be here for the meeting)
<pochu> good luck with your exams jenda
<beuno> thanks, have fun with your moon speak
<pochu> jenda
<jenda> thanks
<jenda> beuno: one more thing...
<pochu> the meeting is the 19
<jenda> beuno: how did you want me to bring it up?
<pochu> won't you be here?
<jenda> pochu: no - I'm leaving on 17
<pochu> oh
<pochu>
<pochu> ok
<beuno> jenda, bring what up?
<jenda> beuno: the -es issue.
<jenda> <beuno> I won't be at the LoCo one, so maybe you can bring this up, jenda?
<beuno> oh
<pochu> jenda: i'll be there
<pochu> so we can talk about it in jabber
<beuno> well, just bring up the idea of a spanish council
<jenda> cool.
<jenda> beuno: shouldn't that wait for the -es meeting?
<pochu> beuno: we can talk also
<beuno> a few of the spanish LoCos will be there
* jenda thinks it should.
<pochu> maybe
<pochu> bye
<beuno>
well, I'd prefer this is talked over as many times as possible
<pochu> I'm going with the dog
<beuno> pochu: yes, we're in touch
<pochu> see you!
<jenda> laters
* jenda (n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda) ha abandonado #ubuntu-spanishlocos ("Mastermind your mind in ##chess! GNU Chess battles soon!")
* pochu se ha marchado (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
* pochu (n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net) ha entrado en #ubuntu-spanishlocos
* beuno se ha marchado (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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I dare to say that Jenda should be expelled from Ubuntu and banned permanently from freenode, but that is another subject. Previous administrator of www.ubuntu-es.org, xuzo (Luis Lopez), was informed of this situation but anyway he granted the administration to pochu. Also jono was informed and he said that he was going to analyze it and yet hasn't emited answer.
In my opinion Ubuntu is a great distro. There should be more enterprises so commited to the Free Software as Canonical but some issues must be treated Carefuly for the sake of the community, Canonical, Ubuntu and GNU/Linux itself. The Community Council can be integrated by great personalities of the world of Free Software, perhaps now that Eric Raymond has became user of Ubuntu might became member of it, but things like the ones I commented above cannot happen nor be tolerated.
By such reasons it is that I have decided to quit completely to everything related to the "official" community of Ubuntu. I will continue using Ubuntu GNU/Linux as my Operating System, I will continue collaborating with the community, in the way I can, since I have done it until now, without persecuting no personal benefit.
--
Guillermo Patterer (aka guillote_GNU)
