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Comment Restorative Justice as a healing mechanism (Score 1) 107

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describe restorative justice in extreme detail using real world examples, e.g. the Ayodhya Hindu temple of Sri Rama, that was destroyed by Islamic Mughal invaders, the US Civil justice movemrnt against slavery etc

**Restorative justice** is a philosophy and set of practices focused on *repairing harm* caused by crime or conflict, rather than simply punishing offenders. It prioritizes the needs of victims, offenders, and the broader community, aiming for *reconciliation, healing, and the restoration of relationships* over retribution[2][8][11]. This approach is increasingly seen as a more inclusive and effective model for addressing both individual and collective wrongs.

### Principles and Methods of Restorative Justice

- **Acknowledgement of Harm:** Recognizes the full impact of harm, including damage to individuals, relationships, and the community[2].
- **Inclusion of All Parties:** Involves victims, offenders, and community members in dialogue and decision-making about how to address the harm[2].
- **Repair and Restoration:** Focuses on restitution, apologies, community service, or other actions that seek to make amends[2][11].
- **Prevention of Future Harm:** Seeks to address underlying causes and foster understanding to prevent recurrence[2].

### Real-World Examples

#### 1. **Ayodhya and the Ram Janmabhoomi Temple**

The Ayodhya dispute in India is a prominent case often described as involving elements of restorative justice, though not without controversy. The site, believed by Hindus to be the birthplace of Lord Ram, saw a Hindu temple destroyed in the 16th century by Mughal emperor Babur, who built the Babri Masjid mosque in its place[5][7]. After centuries of dispute, the mosque was demolished by a Hindu mob in 1992, leading to widespread riots and loss of life[1][3].

In 2019, the Indian Supreme Court ruled that the land should be given to a trust to build a Hindu temple, while a separate plot was allocated for a new mosque[7]. Supporters argue this was an act of restorative justiceâ"restoring a site of deep cultural and religious significance to the Hindu community, after centuries of perceived injustice[5][11]. Critics, however, note that the process did not fully address the harm caused by the mosque's destruction or the violence that followed, and some argue that true restorative justice would have required rebuilding the mosque or a more inclusive process[9].

#### 2. **United States Civil Justice Movement Against Slavery**

Restorative justice principles have influenced movements addressing the legacy of slavery in the United States. While the U.S. has largely relied on retributive legal frameworks, there have been efforts to acknowledge and repair the generational harm caused by slavery and systemic racism. These include:

- **Truth and Reconciliation Commissions:** Modeled after South Africa's post-apartheid process, some U.S. cities and institutions have established commissions to publicly acknowledge harm and recommend reparative actions[2].
- **Reparations Initiatives:** Local governments and organizations have explored financial compensation, educational programs, and public memorials to address the lasting impacts of slavery and segregation[2].

Restorative justice in this context seeks to *center the voices of those harmed*, foster dialogue, and create tangible steps toward healing and equity, rather than focusing solely on punishment or legal redress[2].

#### 3. **Islamic Law and Restorative Justice**

Restorative justice is also reflected in traditional Islamic legal concepts such as *Qisas* (retaliation), *Suluh* (conciliation), and *Diyya* (restitution or blood money). These practices prioritize the needs of victims and communities, allowing for forgiveness, compensation, and reconciliation rather than automatic retribution[2].

### Key Takeaways

- **Restorative justice** is about *repairing harm* and *restoring relationships*, not just punishing offenders.
- It is used to address both *individual crimes* and *historic injustices*, such as the destruction of cultural sites or the legacy of slavery.
- Real-world applications are complex and sometimes controversial, especially when addressing deep-seated historical or communal wounds, as seen in Ayodhya and post-slavery America.
- Success depends on *inclusive dialogue*, *acknowledgment of harm*, and *meaningful reparative actions* that address the needs of all affected parties[2][5][11].

> âoeRestorative justice conceives of justice as ârepairâ(TM) to the harm caused by crime and conflict.â[11]

Citations:
[1] Ayodhya dispute - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
[2] Restorative Justice: Uplifting Human Rights for the Marginalized, Vulnerable, Victimized, and the United States as a Whole https://digitalcommons.wcl.ame...
[3] Modi consecrates Hindu temple on site of mosque - Genocide Watch https://www.genocidewatch.com/...
[4] [PDF] Richard M. Eaton INDIA IN THE PERSIANATE AGE 1000â"1765 https://zenodo.org/record/5119...
[5] Ram Janmabhoomi Ayodhya FAQs - Hindu American Foundation https://www.hinduamerican.org/...
[6] Terms & Issues â" Postcolonial Studies - ScholarBlogs https://scholarblogs.emory.edu...
[7] Why is India's Ram temple in Ayodhya controversial? - Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/news...
[8] History of Restorative Justice https://www.grinnell.edu/about...
[9] To truly achieve justice in Ayodhya, the people behind Babri demolition must be brought to book https://scroll.in/article/9432...
[10] Myth-Busting Restorative Justice: Uncovering the Past and Finding Lessons in Community https://scholarcommons.sc.edu/...
[11] India's Ayodhya Ram Mandir Temple Inauguration: How an Act of ... https://moderndiplomacy.eu/202...
[12] Sacred sites and state failures: A case study of the Babri Masjid/Ram Temple dispute https://radar.brookes.ac.uk/ra...

Comment Re: You miss my point (Score 1) 107

Which part of restorative justice do you not understand?

Step 1. Hindu temple existed for ages
Step 2. Barbaric Islamic invader built a mosque over it.
Step 3. Restorative justice, the Hinfu temple for restored

Let me dumb it down for you:
Corollary:
White Americans enslaved Africans.
Africal Americans like MLK Jr fought for their rights via the Civil Rights Movement.
Restorative Justice FTW

OR another example of deep injustice in our great American homeland . Why dont you introdpect first, find your own faults before fingerpointing at other cultures from your priveleged +ignorant armchair?

https://www.perplexity.ai/sear...

deep research british invaders killing native americans with small pox blankets

deep research british invaders killing native americans with small pox blankets

The British use of smallpox-infected blankets as a form of biological warfare against Native Americans is a historically documented but rare and controversial event. The most well-known and only clearly documented case occurred in 1763 during the Siege of Fort Pitt (present-day Pittsburgh). British officers, including Sir Jeffrey Amherst and Colonel Henry Bouquet, discussed and attempted to deliberately infect Native American tribes such as the Shawnee and Delaware (Lenape) by giving them blankets and a handkerchief contaminated with smallpox from the fortâ(TM)s hospital. This was intended to spread the disease among the besieging tribes to weaken them and relieve the fort[3][5][7][9][12].

William Trent, a trader at Fort Pitt, recorded in his journal that after failed negotiations, the British gave two blankets and a handkerchief from the smallpox hospital to Native emissaries, hoping it would have the desired effect of spreading smallpox[3][5][7][9]. Amherst explicitly encouraged using "every stratagem" to reduce the Native population, including infected blankets[7][12].

However, historians emphasize that this incident was exceptional rather than widespread. The broader devastation of Native American populations by smallpox was largely due to the conditions colonialism createdâ"war, displacement, and disruption of native societiesâ"which made indigenous peoples more vulnerable to epidemics[1][9]. There is no strong evidence that the British or other European colonizers systematically used smallpox blankets beyond this isolated 1763 event.

Some later claims, such as allegations of U.S. Army use of smallpox blankets in the 1830s, have been debunked or lack solid evidence[12]. The 1763 Fort Pitt incident remains the primary historical example of deliberate biological warfare with smallpox against Native Americans.

In summary:

- The British did attempt to use smallpox-infected blankets as a weapon once, in 1763 at Fort Pitt, as part of their conflict with Native tribes[3][5][7].
- This act was sanctioned by high-ranking officers like Amherst and Bouquet.
- The wider smallpox epidemics among Native Americans were mostly due to colonial disruption and disease spread, not systematic deliberate infection[1][9].
- The 1763 incident is considered the birth of modern biological warfare but was not a common tactic[5].
- Later claims of similar use are either unproven or false[12].

This event remains a dark chapter illustrating the brutal measures taken by colonial powers against indigenous peoples during their invasions and wars in North America.

Citations:
[1] Book details misconceptions about smallpox's role in Native ... https://news.ku.edu/news/artic...
[2] Smallpox: 1789 Biological warfare against First Nations https://nationalunitygovernmen...
[3] 1763â"64: Britain wages biological warfare with smallpox https://www.nlm.nih.gov/native...
[4] Smallpox in the New World: History, Victims, & Symptoms https://www.thecollector.com/s...
[5] Episode 28: Smallpox Blankets - Bedside Rounds http://bedside-rounds.org/epis...
[6] What Killed the Native Populations? - Dr Sam Bailey - Substack https://drsambailey.substack.c...
[7] Investigating the Smallpox Blanket Controversy https://asm.org/articles/2023/...
[8] Colonial Germ Warfare https://research.colonialwilli...
[9] Colonial warfare: Were smallpox-infected blankets given to Native Americans? https://geneticliteracyproject...
[10] Elizabeth Fenn: Pox Americana (excerpts, with renumbered footnotes) https://www.umass.edu/legal/de...
[11] âï British Colonial Smallpox Attack: A Dark Chapter in Native History https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
[12] Inside The Troubling History Of How Smallpox Blankets Were Intentionally Given To Indigenous Americans https://allthatsinteresting.co...
[13] Smallpox Blankets Given to Indigenous Peoples (1763) https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

 

Comment Re: BTW, India is 80%Hindu (also the seat of Yoga (Score 1) 107

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For 67 years (1752-1819 AD), the Afghans ruled over Kashmir & ensured it was the darkest period of Islamic oppression. The reign of terror forced Hindus to migrate, convert to Islam, or be ruthlessly killed. In the end, it's said only 11 Pandit families survived in Kashmir.
Asad Khan was the worst of the oppressors. He would tie up Kashmiri Pandits in grass sacks & drown them in Dal Lake in pairs. For amusement, a jar of excreta was placed on Pandit's head & Muslims pelted the jar with stones till it broke & the Hindu was blinded with filth.
The Pandits, who used to display moustaches proudly, were forced to grow beards. They were forbidden from wearing Turbans, shoes, or Tika (Tilaks) on their foreheads.
Later, Pandits wore exaggerated Tikas & overly long turbans in memory of the tyranny of Pathan times. During the Afghan rule, 'Jazia', the poll tax imposed on Hindus, was revived.
During these days, any Muslim who met a Pandit would jump on his back & take a ride, saying,â You are a Brahman & I will mount youâ. This horrifying phrase still survives as a Kashmiri saying.
  Atta Muhamad Khan & his army were sexual predators who used agents to hunt Brahman girls. So terrified were poor Hindus of their lust that they destroyed their daughterâ(TM)s beauty by shaving off their heads, cutting off their noses, or disfiguring them to escape from rape.
Kashmiri Pandit wedding customs bear testament to this cruel trauma. On the day of marriage, a male relative is decked out in the same fashion as the bridegroom, who is known as the Pot maharaja, because at any point the Pathans could seize the bridegroom & kidnap the bride.
Asad Khan was succeeded by Madad Khan, who was even more brutal. He bound Hindus in cow leather sacks before drowning them to ensure their faith was violated. They were killed at the same Batta Mazar (Graveyard of Pandits) on Dal Lake, where 37 Kg of Janeu were found.
No wonder the era of Afghan rule over Kashmir is known as a time of brutal tyranny motivated by Islamic fanaticism. Kashmiri Hindus had to suffer intolerable brutality & cruelty under the savage Pathans, who thought no more of cutting off heads than of plucking a flower.
Source:
The Valley of Kashmir - Walter R. Lawrence, Oxford University Press, 1893

Comment So called Saint Francis Xavier was a demon... (Score 1) 107

... who cut native Hindi/Indians hands off for not convering to Christianity. WTF Saints are suppised to heal people nit cut their freakin hands off for not believibg in JeBuz

deep research hathkatro khamb goa

**Hatkatro Khamb** (also spelled Hathkatro Khamb, meaning "Pillar of Severed Hands") is a significant and haunting historical monument located in Old Goa. It stands as a stark symbol of the **brutal persecution faced by Hindus during the Portuguese Goa Inquisition**[1][2][6].

### Historical Context

- The **Goa Inquisition** (1560â"1812) was a period marked by severe religious persecution, especially targeting Hindus who resisted conversion to Christianity[1][6].
- The Hatkatro Khamb is associated with the **public torture and mutilation** of Hindus who refused to convert. Victims, often including Konkan Brahmins, were allegedly tied to this pillar and had their hands severed as punishment[1][6].
- Many Hindus fled Goa to escape this violence, relocating to regions like Maharashtra and Karnataka[1][6].

### Physical Description and Origins

- The pillar itself is believed to be a **relic from the Kadamba era** (12thâ"13th century) and may have originally been part of a Hindu temple. The Portuguese, after destroying temples, repurposed such architectural elements for their own use[6].
- There is a **Hale Kannada inscription** on the pillar, reading "DAYADNYA" with the number four, linking it to its ancient origins[6].

### Legacy and Recognition

- Today, Hatkatro Khamb is seen as a **memorial to the suffering and resilience of Goan Hindus**[2][5][6].
- Despite its historical importance, the site has not been officially recognized as a protected heritage monument, partly due to urban development and bureaucratic challenges[5][7].
- Local and national organizations, such as the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, have repeatedly demanded its preservation and recognition as a national monument, highlighting the need for proper documentation and public awareness[5][10].

### Controversy and Memory

- The pillar remains a **contentious symbol** in Goaâ(TM)s cultural memory, especially around the legacy of St. Francis Xavier, who is often associated with the Inquisition era, though some historians debate the extent of his direct involvement[1][3][6].
- The site is largely neglected, with little official information or heritage status, despite being a powerful reminder of a dark chapter in Goan and Indian history[5][7].

In summary, **Hatkatro Khamb is a powerful and under-recognized monument that embodies the traumatic history of forced conversions and violence against Hindus during the Portuguese rule in Goa**. Its preservation and public acknowledgment remain subjects of ongoing debate and activism[1][5][7].

Citations:
[1] Hatkatro Khamb: Hindu suffering under the Goa inquisition - Organiser https://organiser.org/2024/12/...
[2] Hath Kataro Khambh - Blood-stained history of Goa which no one ... https://www.nilus.in/Demo/Saty...
[3] This is the Hat Katro Khamb - Old Goa where thousands of Goans ... https://www.reddit.com/r/India...
[4] Old Goa where thousands of Goans hindus were killed during Goan ... https://www.instagram.com/reel...
[5] Declare âHaat Katro Khambâ(TM) memorial in Goa as heritage site and preserve it, demands HJS - Hindu Janajagruti Samiti https://www.hindujagruti.org/n...
[6] Hindus must remember Goaâ(TM)s âHatkatro Khaambâ(TM) on Christmas and New Year. https://hinduexistence.org/202...
[7] Buffer zone a hurdle for Hath Katro Khambâ(TM)s âprotected siteâ(TM) bid - Times of India https://timesofindia.indiatime...
[8] Old Goa where thousands of Goans hindus were killed during Goan ... https://www.instagram.com/reel...
[9] Hatkatro Khaamb: A Lone Pillar That Stands Witness To Horrors of ... https://www.scribd.com/documen...
[10] Declare the â Hatkatro Khamb â(TM) in Goa as a National Monument ! - Hindu Janajagruti Samiti https://www.hindujagruti.org/h...
deep research hathkatro khamb goa

**Hatkatro Khamb** (also spelled Hathkatro Khamb, meaning "Pillar of Severed Hands") is a significant and haunting historical monument located in Old Goa. It stands as a stark symbol of the **brutal persecution faced by Hindus during the Portuguese Goa Inquisition**[1][2][6].

### Historical Context

- The **Goa Inquisition** (1560â"1812) was a period marked by severe religious persecution, especially targeting Hindus who resisted conversion to Christianity[1][6].
- The Hatkatro Khamb is associated with the **public torture and mutilation** of Hindus who refused to convert. Victims, often including Konkan Brahmins, were allegedly tied to this pillar and had their hands severed as punishment[1][6].
- Many Hindus fled Goa to escape this violence, relocating to regions like Maharashtra and Karnataka[1][6].

### Physical Description and Origins

- The pillar itself is believed to be a **relic from the Kadamba era** (12thâ"13th century) and may have originally been part of a Hindu temple. The Portuguese, after destroying temples, repurposed such architectural elements for their own use[6].
- There is a **Hale Kannada inscription** on the pillar, reading "DAYADNYA" with the number four, linking it to its ancient origins[6].

### Legacy and Recognition

- Today, Hatkatro Khamb is seen as a **memorial to the suffering and resilience of Goan Hindus**[2][5][6].
- Despite its historical importance, the site has not been officially recognized as a protected heritage monument, partly due to urban development and bureaucratic challenges[5][7].
- Local and national organizations, such as the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, have repeatedly demanded its preservation and recognition as a national monument, highlighting the need for proper documentation and public awareness[5][10].

### Controversy and Memory

- The pillar remains a **contentious symbol** in Goaâ(TM)s cultural memory, especially around the legacy of St. Francis Xavier, who is often associated with the Inquisition era, though some historians debate the extent of his direct involvement[1][3][6].
- The site is largely neglected, with little official information or heritage status, despite being a powerful reminder of a dark chapter in Goan and Indian history[5][7].

In summary, **Hatkatro Khamb is a powerful and under-recognized monument that embodies the traumatic history of forced conversions and violence against Hindus during the Portuguese rule in Goa**. Its preservation and public acknowledgment remain subjects of ongoing debate and activism[1][5][7].

Citations:
[1] Hatkatro Khamb: Hindu suffering under the Goa inquisition - Organiser https://organiser.org/2024/12/...
[2] Hath Kataro Khambh - Blood-stained history of Goa which no one ... https://www.nilus.in/Demo/Saty...
[3] This is the Hat Katro Khamb - Old Goa where thousands of Goans ... https://www.reddit.com/r/India...
[4] Old Goa where thousands of Goans hindus were killed during Goan ... https://www.instagram.com/reel...
[5] Declare âHaat Katro Khambâ(TM) memorial in Goa as heritage site and preserve it, demands HJS - Hindu Janajagruti Samiti https://www.hindujagruti.org/n...
[6] Hindus must remember Goaâ(TM)s âHatkatro Khaambâ(TM) on Christmas and New Year. https://hinduexistence.org/202...
[7] Buffer zone a hurdle for Hath Katro Khambâ(TM)s âprotected siteâ(TM) bid - Times of India https://timesofindia.indiatime...
[8] Old Goa where thousands of Goans hindus were killed during Goan ... https://www.instagram.com/reel...
[9] Hatkatro Khaamb: A Lone Pillar That Stands Witness To Horrors of ... https://www.scribd.com/documen...
[10] Declare the â Hatkatro Khamb â(TM) in Goa as a National Monument ! - Hindu Janajagruti Samiti https://www.hindujagruti.org/h...

Comment Re: I repeat (Score 1) 107

you may also find this eye opening

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...

Hindu and Catholic, Priest and Scholar: A Love Story
On October 1, 2024, HDS hosted a celebration of "Hindu and Catholic, Priest and Scholar: A Love Story," the new memoir from HDS Professor Francis X. Clooney, S.J. Joining Prof. Clooney on a panel of respondents were: Rajeev Persaud, MTS â(TM)24, Andrea Bischoff, MTS â(TM)24, and Jonathan Makransky, multireligious ministry initiatives coordinator at HDS. The event was introduced by Kerry Maloney, Chaplain and Director of Religious and Spiritual Life.

Sponsored by the Office of the Chaplain and Religious and Spiritual Life and by the Office of Ministry Studies.

Transcript:
https://www.hds.harvard.edu/ne...

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