You can install a NEMA 14-30 outlet on that spare circuit and use the portable charger that comes with the car. You'll get 24A continuous output so you can charge at almost 6kW. If you move, take the portable charger and your're only out the cost of the plug and a few feet of wire.

I'm only on a 40A circuit (dedicated wall charger) and can charge from empty overnight. Unless you have a shitoad of EVs all running 300 miles every day, you'll be just fine.

If you can afford an EV, you have a credit card.

Garaged or not, batteries still need to be preconditioned before fast charging at high kW rates.

And the numbers don't work out for relying solely on fast charging anyway. DC fast charging is not cheaper than gas even at current prices in my neck of the woods if you have a reasonabe (35-40mpg) car. Especially in very cold weather. I've run the numbers for my current electric rates. Add to that, fast charging costs are rising faster than gas prices. Given that my state screws us over for registration on an EV and insurance is higher, the cost equation is even worse if you rely on DC fast charging.

However... I recently took a 130 mile trip charging exclusively from home and, with the data from the trip, calculated that I would have to get 163 MPG on an ICE car to match the costs at current gas prices and electricity rates. If you charge at home, it's still cheaper. If you have to fast charge, it's questionable at best.

The big question now is how long until the Feds start adding a "fuel tax" to fast chargers?

You seem awfully fixated on that. Nobody is trying to take away your black/white girlfriend. We just don't think that seeing Holly Hunter's geriatric feet, displayed front and center on an 80 inch TV, exudes quality entertainment. Or anything else on that abortion of a show, for that matter.

They should have dialed the special effects and sets back by half and spent the left-over money on stories and acting. Somebody involved in green-lighting it must have had above average numbers of chromosomes.

1) Economics:The cost to build and operate a business has no bearing on the value of the service or product they deliver. If the value of their product is less than the cost to operate and provide, the business will close. Businesses (and industries) close all the time.

2) I have no distaste for theaters. I only expressed distaste for tobacco smoke damaging my drive-in experience. My argument is that the value proposition has shifted since the widespread adoption of very large home televisions, sound systems and the ease of home viewing. When value drops and prices rise, that is a harbinger for a business to fail. I have seen many, many theaters close in my area since the 90s; probably half of the screens. The newer style auditoriums and seating in many chains are an attempt to change the value proposition. Whether or not it works long term remains to be seen.

There are still two left within a 45 minute drive of my house. Two first-run movies with a short intermission. Bring your own popcorn, snacks and cooler if you want. Tickets are pricey now, but no worse than a theater.

The problem is that smokers can't smoke in or near the indoor theater so they all congregate at the drive-in. It's like a tobacco bar everywhere there now, especially bad if there's no wind. It's not fun having to roll up your windows in 85 degree heat because the cars on both sides are packed with chain smokers. That happened the last three times I went. I haven't been since they legalized weed, so it's probably worse now. That's why I decided to have my own "drive-in" at home.

Or maybe theaters are just on the wrong side of the value proposition. Once you have absorbed the cost of a nice big TV and sound system, the only advantages of theaters are instant gratification for new releases and a screen larger than you can have at home.

The disadvantages, however, are numerous. Cost, inconvenience, 30 minutes of ads, annoyances from other patrons, inability of pausing, inability to adjust sound level, inability to rewind if you missed something, inability to rewatch, ad inifitum... People go to bars to socialize, not quench their thirst. Theaters are not a known for being group socialization hubs and those that do, annoy other patrons. And everything I have read says that alcohol consumption is dropping while iconic British pubs are closing left and right.

I used to enjoy taking the family to drive in theaters for a nice summer event. It was something different and fun. Then the smoker crowd ruined that for me too so I bought a projector and a big screen and now have outside movie nights at home. It's not about the money by itself that's killing theaters (and drive-ins). It's that it's just not worth it anymore.

Supply and demand. We added 50 million people (1/6 of the existing US population) in the last fifteen years; 20 million of them over just four years. You can't build homes fast enough to satisfy that demand. And in case you hadn't noticed, we ain't making any new land to put those homes on.

Want to guess why BlackRock is buying up all those single family homes all over the country? They didn't make all that money by making bad bets. They know prices are only heading up.

Unfortunately, this trip is for genealogy research and is deep in the back hills of Appalachia. The roads are curvy, steep and not conducive to lateral movement for destinations that may only be a few miles physically apart. I have many stops to make and carefully planned it out using Plugshare and A Better Route Planner. If things go bad on range, I'll be stuck with a big towing bill. I might just rent a gas car and call it a day.

A small handful of J-1772, Level 2 chargers. Good for plugging in at home, but not really your go-to choice for running around in the boonies, big state parks and rural areas, unless you have a lot of time to kill in that exact spot. Besides, you pray they actually work when you get there. And I say that as a Tesla owner.

I have a rural trip planned this June and my choices for one of the stops are an iffy Level-2 out in the middle of nowhere or driving well out of my way and paying 69 cents per kWh at a Circle-K; The only DC fast charger within reach.

You were responding to this verbatim in OP:

I did the math for far from home *AND* even qualified it with this:

Now, how am I wrong or "disingenuous"?

Spoiler alert: I'm not.

The average Tesla gets around 4 miles per KWh according to Google. Costs at Fast Chargers including Superchargers are high and getting worse. I saw one GM CCS1 fast charger that was 69 cents per KWh while planning a road trip. That gets you 5.8 miles per dollar. Even at a "reasonably priced" fast charger you can expect around 43 cents per KWh. That gets you 9.3 miles per dollar. A "cheap" fast charger (if you can find one) might be 30 cents per KWh bringing you 13 miles for each dollar.

A relatively low mileage ICE car getting 30mpg on a road trip while paying $3.50 per gallon of gas would get 8.6 miles per dollar.

To save just $1,000 between 30 cent fast chargers and an old 30mpg ICE car burning $3.50 gas would require you to drive 24,000 miles. You aren't saving thousands of dollars on long road trips unless all you do is drive. Or you're visiting out-of-the-way Level 2 "free" chargers and hanging around for hours. New hybrids get way better than 30mpg. You might save a lot of money charging at home, but not on the road stopping at fast chargers.

As long as porn doesn't lead the industry to smellavision, I'm okay.

It *WAS* Donato's. LOL. They've been on my shit list since that day. I guess it must be a system wide problem.

Yep. Was forced to "pre-tip" when ordering a pizza last winter because the restaurant wouldn't allow pay-at-the-door. They subcontracted my delivery out to door dash without my knowledge or consent. The bastards dropped it on my front porch in 20 degree weather without ringing the doorbell. No email from the restaurant. No text. I don't have a door dash account, so no notification of any kind. It sat out there for 15 minutes before I noticed because it was overdue. It was ice cold. That was the last time that restaurant got a penny from me.

I don't use any delivery services like uber eats or door dash and I don't *EVER* order delivery for any pizza anywhere now. I either pick it up myself or do without.

Tipping expectations are beyond crazy these days. I refuse to tip when I stand at a counter to order my food and clear my own table after eating. If tipping for that is your expectation, you need to adjust it or I will spend my money elsewhere. If you want a tip, you better be bringing the food to me and keeping my drink filled.

Either the builder or the writer does not know what a single board computer is or how dual PCBs does not qualify. Hint: The B in PCB stands for board.