Fighting disinformation is not a crime.
Now, if anybody can present real evidence, that would be different.
I believe most of the people "fighting disinformation" have been banned from editing at Wikipedia. As for real evidence, what do you need? How about this?
Okay, we can play that game - proxy from China:
Strictly regional proxies don't count.
Wow! Have you told Dr. Mann that? Because most of his evidence that the MWP didn't exist comes from a very few regional proxies. And those proxies failed to calibrate. If you don't believe that, google "divergence problem". There is a lot about the divergence problem at RealClimate. Then "hide the decline". The temperature, as measured by the proxies, has been dropping while the temperature, as measured by modern instruments, has been increasing. This isn't some "denier conspiracy" thing either. The divergence problem is accepted by all climate scientists. They know that during the period when we have highly accurate means of calibrating the "proxies", they do not reflect actual temeprature. THAT is the "decline" that was hidden. The proxies tell us that the world has been cooling while the world has been warming. There is NO basis for assuming that this did not also happen during the MWP.
I take it you haven't read UPDATING after all. Honestly, if you don't know about
There are rare occasions when some libraries are upgraded to a more recent release, time when you need to recompile/upgrade applications that depend on it too. It *does* make sense, isn't it ? Otherwise you may end up with broken applications due to changes in those libraries they depend on.
Another situation is when some app/library has a security update. Usually few people provide patches for older versions, so if you want the patch you upgrade to the most recent version. Kind of natural if you think about it. FreeBSD is not RedHat and doesn't have the same financial support to spend time on backporting patches for instance.
I take it you don't like this system. You are free to stick with Windows or Fedora then, but there are people that prefer systems such as FreeBSD and Gentoo (yes, amazing, Gentoo Linux functions in a similar fashion, so it's not even a FreeBSD vs Linux issue here, it's a matter of packaging philosophy).
I don't claim FreeBSD is better then Linux or vice-verse, but your comments show an amount of ignorance that I generally disregard.
I stopped reading UPDATING more than a year ago when I gave up entirely on this POS operating system and the people in the community. Before then, I spent WAY too much time reading UPDATING. Based on my hourly billing rate I could have purchased a full version of Win7 Professional a month. So now I run Windows. I haven't had to read UPDATING in a very long time. I spent a lot of time on the mailing lists. I was able to help a lot of people over the years. The problem isn't just the system. The problem is the community. It is elitist, obnoxious and rude. FreeBSD is a nice hobby. Fewer and fewer people who have to do real work are using it. Anonymous Cowards, such as yourself, who epitomize that community, are assuring that the trend will continue.
If you've got any real experience (like a week of use...) with FreeBSD, you know that FreeBSD is dead simple to use, has amazing documentation, and a very helpful user community. However, you literally can't install your first port without discovering that system tuning is automatic/done at compile time. Xorg is also the same between Linux and FreeBSD, again something that any real experience would teach.
No longtime BSD user would have made any mistakes as the thread starter did with wasting hours tweaking the graphics card or the system. In fact, not even a week old newbie would make those mistakes. The thread starter poster revealed himself as a clueless, FUD-spreading troll.
I've got nine years experience with FreeBSD. I started at 4.7 and I stopped at 8.0. Maybe something radical has changed, but last time I looked, dead simple would be an outright lie. Documentation may be amazing, once you understand it. The handbook is ok. The rest, not so much. As for the user community. Have you read the posts from that community on this thread? Read your own post. If you are an example of a helpful community, I'd hate to see what you consider rude and obnoxious.
The best part is that now Linux fanboys are using the same "arguments" that were used against their baby to attack BSD. "But why should I use BSD if Linux is almost as good", or "but my graphics card!". I'm glad my Android phone is my only point of exposure to Linux, wish it could be moved to NetBSD or something though.
From what I've read on this thread, it is more "why should I use BSD when Linux is far superior". Nice attempt at redirection though. In case you are wondering, I dumped debian in favour of FreeBSD in 2001. I dumped FreeBSD completely in 2010. I use professionally produced (i.e. for pay) software now. These amatuer things were nice as a hobby but I have kids and a life now.
Aw look at this. Somebody got their feelings hurt when bullshit was called. It made me feel bad too....wait that was just lunch.
Earlier on in this thread someone made the claim that the people in the FreeBSD community were a bunch of arrogant arseholes (he was more polite than that). I was pointing out instances here of this attitude. Thanks for providing another prime example. You should read up on "irony". And posting as an AC to boot.
So unless you code, where do you get your computer fun then? The feeling of boredom that avalanched over me as I read your post nearly kills my willing to live
I'm assuming your were replying to me. What computer fun? My computer is a tool I use to work. When I feel the desire to procrastinate I post here. If computers are your source of fun . . . Sorry about that young fella. Also sorry about your 'willing'.
They've had it for years, there's at least two different ways of doing it. The easiest way is just using Wine and the Windows version of Firefox. The other way is to just use the Linux version of Flash. And really, it's only necessary because of incompetent web developers anyways.
These sorts of FUD posts about a largely unimportant feature that isn't native, is really not conducive to a decent discussion.
Are you serious? Flash is an unimportant feature? What year did you fall asleep? It's 2011 now.
Of course, as an experienced FreeBSD user, it's not likely you would have made this post in the first place. How long have you actually been running FreeBSD anyway?
Yet another example of the helpful attitude of the FreeBSD community.
You must not have been very good if you had that much trouble. I started using FreeBSD over a decade ago and I never had that much trouble getting my graphics cards to work.
Wow! Thanks for providing an excellent example of the "support" one can expect on a FreeBSD mailing list.
I've used debian and freebsd. I now use Windows 7. Works with everything, I never have to R an FM, I never have to compile anything. My security updates come in without any effort on my part. And I NEVER have to ask for help from nice folk like you.
The FreeBSD community takes a "blame the user" stance that is going to alienate most desktop users, who want to use the machine to get something done and don't want to be held up by snafus that may take days to fix.
Can you be more specific ? I have a subscription on several mailing lists and I see people asking questions and being helped all the time. Same on the FreeBSD forum.
Much of BSD's documentation is wrong or vague, many things are still broken within the OS and especially in the parts a desktop user would use, and when there is a problem, there's nowhere to go for a clear, quick solution.
Can you give an example of broken things and bad documentation ? I find the documentation rather thorough and easy to understand. Maybe a bit to technical, but neither wrong, nor vague.
And you know, sometimes it's actually a RTFM problem after all.
I dumped FreeBSD for a number of reasons. Required to upgrade due to some security thing, Oh wait, some obscure library has also updated and now the entire OS needs to upgrade. And KDE too. WTF? When did Gnome get installed? Ah well, I wasn't going to use the computer this week anyway. One week later, nothing works, so I go to the mailing lists. First responses are usually "It's in UPDATING, come back when you've read that." If you haven't seen the snide, arrogant crap that happens on the mailing lists you are not paying attention. (mailing lists? are your reading what you are typing? mailing lists? This isn't 1988.) And yes, there are a large number of parts of the base OS (not the ports) that have crap documentation. And RTFM? If you need to RTFM to install software and keep a system running, the system is crap. I've switched to a Mac and Windows 7. Haven't had to R any FM since. No. FreeBSD is not a desktop system. If you want it to do useful things, don't install a gui and try to limit yourself to the base OS. Do everything from the command line. Aint that quaint. Otherwise, run away.
Global warming isn't shrinking the icebergs, its creating new ones!
Umm... I know that was a joke but of course global warming would create new icebergs (not that it's responsible for this one apparently). Ice breaking away from existing stable formations, forming icebergs, is exactly what you'd expect if the ice is melting.
Actually, glaciers advancing and pushing ice into the ocean which then breaks off is exactly how this works. If the glaciers were melting, they wouldn't be pushing into the ocean to break off and form icebergs. THAT is why smart people are careful to point out that this isn't caused by global warming. To claim that glaciers getting bigger is caused by global warming is insane. Don't go there. You will make a fool of yourself. Oops. To late.
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