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As regular readers of my journal know, I tend to find american speech makers to be... lacking, especially when compared to their british counter parts.

But Zell Miller's speech last night was awesome. A good old fashioned butt-kicking of the highest order, and a masterpiece of rhetoric.

Now Edwards is out there whining because the Kerry campaign had their asses handed to them by a member of their own party. Maybe instead of whining they should learn something from the experience... :-p

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  • Zell is an American Hero (tm)

    but Richard Clark, Paul O'Neil et. al. are incompetent traitors with no credibility...RIGHT?

    I guess I forgot that Words Speak Louder Than Actions [indymedia.org]
    • blah blah blah I'm democrat!

      blah blah blah I'm a republican.

      doesn't this stuff ever get old to you guys?!

    • Clark, O'Neil and company came across as bitter political opportunists who contradicted themselves in the span of days or weeks of coming out against Bush. If they can't even keep their stories straight, why would you fancy them big heroes?

      Zell is a straight shooter and has been for a long time. He doesn't have any axe to grind, he just wants what's best for his country. The others don't give off that impression in the slightest.

      Zell has the problem that Reagan did - the democratic party left him. Tha
      • Yawn...you forgot to mention that Clark and O'Neil are racists (don't ask me how that makes sense, its just another of the smears against them).

        Here's something more interesting to read:

        THE CONSERVATIVE CASE AGAINST GEORGE W. BUSH [nypress.com]

        BTW - if you want to learn something about changing your story every 5 mins - just watch the Bush administration - if you haven't watched the "Words Speak Louder Than Actions" vid [indymedia.org], please do so now...

        THX!
      • Zell is a straight shooter and has been for a long time. He doesn't have any axe to grind, he just wants what's best for his country. The others don't give off that impression in the slightest.

        Zig-zag Zell? Are you kidding me? This guy makes Kerry look like someone who never changes his mind.

        It has been said that given any issue Zell has been on all sides of it.

        Zell has the problem that Reagan did - the democratic party left him. That doesn't mean he's wishy washy or a flip-flopper, it means the rest o
    • Bush's accomplishments in defeating terrorists and Kerry's Congressional votes (read the speech) speak louder than propaganda.
      • Bush's accomplishments in defeating terrorists

        Which is why the terror alert is now green, right?

        • It's not orange or red, right?

          I didn't say all the terrorists.

          A global dragnet has tightened around al-Qaida, made possible by a broad coalition of 84 nations, all focused on the common goal of eradicating the terrorist threat that endangers all civilized nations. Since September 11, 2001,

          70 percent of al-Qaida senior leadership and more than 3,400 lower-level al-Qaida operatives or associates have been detained or killed in over 100 countries, largely as a result of cooperation among law enforcement a

          • Are we safer? The alert level would indicate that it's unlikely. And I thought it had been orange for the summer, with all the high profile things going on like the Olympics, the convetions, etc.

            It's proven that we don't need more than a couple dozen people to be "effective" to have a huge catastrophe on our hands. It's kind of like biology--it doesn't matter if I kill 90% of the bacteria if the 10% that's left kills me.

            You said "defeating". They're not defeated. They're recruiting at record rates.

            I do

            • We're safer only in the sense that we now fully know and appreciate with no uncertainty what these lunatics are capable of and willing to do. So the next time an airplane gets hijacked, there won't be any more compliance by the crew and passengers - there'll be a dogpile on the terrorists!

              Other than that, little has really changed. Assuming there has been an increase in recruiting of terrorists (how do you measure that? ask them?), that's probably only because it is now convenient for them to attack us
              • We're safer only in the sense that we now fully know and appreciate with no uncertainty what these lunatics are capable of and willing to do.

                And that's not Bush's doing, is it?

                As for the "within easy reach", I'd argue if we weren't there stirring the pot, the pot would be a lot more settled. But hey, potato, patato.

                • We weren't stirring the pot through the 1990s and they attacked us anyways. But since there was no focus on our policy in the middle east, few people made any connections and it seemed random.

                  The only thing that's really noticeably changed is that everybody really is paying attention to our policies there. So we notice more.

                  But I go back to the following JE:
                  http://slashdot.org/~eglamkowski/journal/81279 [slashdot.org]
                  What have the Philippines or Thailand done in the middle east to "deserve" islamic terrorism in thei
                  • Islamic terrorism is no more about one single issue than the Republican Party (or Democratic Party--I'm not trying to draw a parallel between our politicians and terrorists in this case). We are targets for a number of reasons, but our Middle East policy is a fairly high one; the reasons we're targets are rather different than the reasons that the Phillipines or Thailand are, even if you don't believe that targetting us has anything to do with our Middle East policy. That seems to be pretty obvious on its
                    • I strongly disagree with those who think that most of their anti-terrorism policies will ever actually achieve their stated goals, because much of their effect ends up being simple vengeance--and you can't fight vengeance with vengeance, it never will end.

                      Oh, it can be made to end.

                      The Philippinos don't hate us even after our very brutal and bloody suppression of a revolt against our rule.

                      There are no hawaiian or guamanian terrorists trying to destroy us. Even the cubans and puerto ricans aren't out the
                    • The arab muslim world desparately needs to clean out its own house if it wants to convince us they really are a religion of peace. We can only do so much in that direction - they have to really want it themselves if such change is to be effective and enduring. And so far we aren't seeing a whole lot of that change from within.

                      Certainly. But we're not going to change it for them either, short of genocide.

  • I can't believe nobody is commenting on the content of the speech. If you didn't bother to read it, please do. Here are some of my favorite parts.

    Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier. And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for us here at home.

    For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldi

  • That is a good speech. Progression of assertions leading from a premise to a conclusion, excluding other possible conclusions.

    Very good. Written by himself or not, the written version ready very persuasively. I am sure the spoken one was very good also.

    jason
  • "Southern Democrat Actually Closet Republican" ...In Other News, Sky Blue, Pope Catholic.

    Explanation:

    I don't know why this didn't occur to me earlier (none of the news media is mentioning that he's a Southern Democrat (an important distinction) so I didn't catch earlier. Then I heard the accent...

    Just to recap, pre-Civil Right era / Nixon's "Southern Strategy," 99% of southern politicians were Democrats - sorta like Bloomberg magically becoming a Republican a few years ago - it was the only way to get el
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      • If what you are saying is that Miller is conservative because that is what it takes in Middle America to get elected

        Ummmm re-read the post...

        #1 It's possible to be a conservative Democrat in the South aka "Boll Weevil [bartleby.com]"

        #2 Georgia is "Middle America?" I'll be sure to notify the Duke Boys, they'll be thrilled.
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          • First he doesn't represent the majority of the party, but then he represents "Middle America?"

            Before you start ranting about Red States/Blue States, I'll remind you that Bush won many of those states by The Duke boys are an anachronism.

            Hope nobody near you has a confederate flag on top of their car, "dagnabbit!"
          • (stupid less-than character screwed up the other version of this post - this just isn't my night)

            First he doesn't represent the majority of the party, but then he represents "Middle America?"

            Before you start ranting about Red States/Blue States, I'll remind you that Bush won many of those states by <1% margins. The whole "Republicans are Middle America" thing is a sham.

            The Duke boys are an anachronism.

            Hope nobody near you has a confederate flag on top of their car, "dagnabbit!"
            • I'll remind you that Bush won many of those states by <1% margins

              What the heck are you talking about? Bush won by comfortable margins in just about every state in which he did win. The only exceptions are NH and FL, which are NOT the types of states HBI is talking about.

              (Numbers don't add up to 100% due to Nader and rounding)

              GA: Bush 56% v. 42%
              AL: Bush 57% v. 41%
              MS: Bush 58% v. 41%
              TN: Bush 51% v. 48%
              KY: Bush 57% v. 41%
              SC: Bush 56% v. 40%
              NC: Bush 56% v. 43%
              VA: Bush 52% v. 45%
              WV: Bush 52% v. 46%
              OH: B
  • at each convention that make me think oratory might not be a lost art.

    Then everyone else speaks.
  • Here [senate.gov] is Senator Zell Miller on Senator John Kerry at the March 1st, 2001 Geogia Jefferson-Jackson Dinner. An excerpt:

    "My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders - and a good friend.

    He was once a lieutenant governor - but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984.

    In his 16 years in
    • When you're stumping for a candidate you are obligated to say good things about them, even it is is stretching the truth.

      Now that Kerry isn't stumping for Kerry, and indeed he doesn't even have to worry about reelection, he is much more at liberty to speak the truth. He didn't have to attack Kerry's record - he could have confined himself to praising Bush's...

      Personally I think it's his need to not worry about reelection that cinches it. Without that burden of having to lie for your electorate, you can

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