"Seriously, if an immigrant is a better choice, then people really need to look at their own skills before complaining about immigrants taking their job. The only ones who have a valid complaint are when companies will pay immigrants less for the same level of skill and experience, at which point, the COMPANIES should be the ones being demonized, not the people working and looking to get a job."

Yeah, that's exactly what H1-B does. It was specifically meant never to replace American workers with cheaper foreign labor but that's exactly what it does. A 'minimum' of 60K was set in 1989 and has never been raised. I'm only knowledgeable in IT field but it's just a indirect corporate subsidy at this point. I spent about 20 years in IT and saw it become the forefront of professional gig work. I am a hard worker and I was good at the jobs I had. I never had a below average rating, but I couldn't keep job hunting every 6 months to a year. I'm not built that way. I don't blame the people, but I do blame government for failing to pass bi-partisan bills that would have raised that 60k (buried in subcommittee never to get a vote multiple times), I do blame the media as it NEVER seems to bring up what H1-B was (or the 60K min), how it has been abused and the fraud accompanying the Indian firms that have taken it over. The media here is particularly bad; most of the articles I read are extremely biased, narrowly focused without larger facts. One was about immigrants going to chic-fil-a for luck.... I have done a lot of reading about H1-B but all the real facts are missing from more recent articles (Post 2016). Partisanship is to blame, as everything has become binary in the current political climate. I wasn't replaced by 'better/smarter' people, but I was replaced with cheaper people that can't change jobs before they get a green card in 7-10 years or risk deportation.

As far as the wall and 'illegal' immigration, personally I would want actual studies showing that taking jobs is fake or real and to what extent. Mostly, I have read about migrant farm workers that are often treated horribly doing jobs that high school graduates wouldn't want but I don't know anything beyond that. I was in IT for ~20 years and I've been researching and reading about H1-B for over 10 years. It was much easier to find real articles prior to 2016, not the biased narrowly focused puff pieces we see now.

I think you missed my point(s).

First trusting an industry or a company is INSANE. Second; so is not holding the people behind them accountable. Companies don't exist, they are only legal levers for the people that control them (huge powerful ones). Why do those people get to inflict more pain and suffering on society than any person on death row. Personally, I'm anti-capital punishment, but if anyone deserves it... it's the people that decided this was private information and it would be okay no matter how many people suffered and died.... Remove the fucking laws that protected these worthless people. Demanding proof something is bad after letting the market saturate with it is ass-backwards. Only PEOPLE deserve to be innocent until proven guilty! We need to look at taking ALL their freedom and money, including inheritance even retroactively... The executives that by action or inaction cause death... Why, aren't/weren't these people i.e. executives in/under the prisons. Why do their heirs get to be born with a silver spoon from that blood money. Boeing ... 737 MAX... We need to take basic HUMAN rights seriously, and start setting examples of executives. They OBVIOUSLY aren't going to.

Also, I'm not expert but... it seems like there is evidence...

'Microplastics are a source of extreme concern for health: the presence of these tiny pieces of plastic has been linked to heart attacks, stroke, dementia and brain tumors. But what drives these associations is unclear. Now a study published in Nature offers a tantalizing clue: microplastics interact with water, generating highly reactive molecules. When microplastics come into contact with water, the water near their surface can become chemically active, generating highly reactive species that can modify nearby substances, including biologically important molecules.'

https://science.slashdot.org/s...

Agreed. I'm so so tired of the same people that say there is no evidence are the first ones to deny evidence when it exist and refuse to fund it on the logic that we don't have the evidence ... first?

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Unfortunately, we don't police our food (or anything else), and/or pesticides on it, even after there is lots of evidence. . I guess the logic is that it's fine until we can prove it's a chronic problem we can no longer control it... ???. Then let off executives/industry leaders that have done far more to harm society as a whole than any mass murderer on death row.

• 1. Exxon/other big oil... climate change has and will continue to kill lots people (hopefully, not the entire human race)
• 2. Tobacco... well we all know how that turned out
• 3. Purdue Pharma... opioids ..Oh wait some were 'punished'.. (a little bit) The three executives also received misdemeanor convictions.
• 4. Boeing... ..

I really don't want to hear another 'it's just the media'... until ... oh wait... it wasn't just hype and lots of people are dead now. It's okay to say that we don't know effects, but if we don't know wouldn't it be logical to either not introduce it until we know, or curb it until we do .... The burden off proof shouldn't be tons of dead people, before we prioritize people over profits.. When it comes to plastics..these are literally the same people who knew about climate change 30-40 years before we did and kept us in the dark...

I understand you are using the logic/argument/fallacy thing, but he made two statements, neither was presented as an argument, at least in my mind. Unless he was, your just being pedantic here. Personally, I consider both true, but I'm not making an argument for anyone else.

Corporations, have used H1-B to replace American workers with cheaper foreign labor for many years. Exactly, what that bill was specifically NEVER meant to do. I was in IT for 20 years but I got caught in the Gig work that IT has become and couldn't deal with it. A minimum pay of 60K was set for H1-B, in 1989 and has never been raised, because bipartisan bills were sent to be buried in subcommittee never to get a vote. Companies abuse the program period. It's also a huge security issue. Anyone in IT should know that. I'm not anti-migrant, but H1-B is why American IT is dying (or already dead?). Huge government projects have died because of contractors..hmmm. I would tell any American collage student to steer clear of IT. Low pay, Low benefit, Long hours, Little Job to no job security and he have the most 'self' learning intensive jobs there is. Former Google CEO said IT workers forget about work/life balance. All the CEOs think that way. If your young... do something else... don't waist your life .. to be used, abused, and thrown away in IT.

"For the children" is always dubious because it tends to have authoritarian undertones (and supporters). Regardless of that, it tends to take away privacy and/or freedoms.

The Gestapo don't care about "Rights" or probable cause.

LOL Thanks!

Bills like this which have a history where politicians say, this law want ever do "X" or be a abused in 'Y' way or 'Z' will never happen. They are all liars regardless of party. Unless protections (checks/balances) are built into the law, they don't have the power or authority to enforce those claims even if they are still in office when X,Y, or Z happens. I hate, hate, hate all politicians who make those fabricated claims.(too much? ;P)

We need open standards to enable competition in tech, and most everywhere else. Personally, I wasn't referring to just ALPR. Companies/Industries have locked down standards to prevent competition/compatibility. The standards that used to be better for all of us have been taken over by industries. I haven't researched web standards, but why we can't right click anymore on many/most websites. The websites seem to have more control of our computers/browsers than they used to (it seems to me). Open standards are good for society. Imagine if there was no standard for electrical outlets or light bulbs (or no open standards). Vendor lock in, planned obsolescence... only creates limited choices, high cost and tons of waste.

I agree in principle. I'm not sure the exact way it should be done. I've thought to adjust it for inflation in the bill, but H1-B has become too bloated anyway. It is used for students as well, which it wasn't intended for. It should be trashed and new legislation should be drafted. The problem is our government is run by lobbyist, so it no longer functions. Bills often do nothing, or even the opposite of what they were originally intended as amendments destroy them. Of course in this case, they get buried in subcommittee to never see a vote, time and time again.

I love your first sentence, but it's more than just errors; it's a violation of privacy and basic human rights. Especially, as the police are just badly designed. There needs to be external oversight to police. "protect and serve" shouldn't be just a re-branding after a the police go off the rails, it should be the ideal they strive for. Unfortunately, police abuse the law and citizens daily all over the country. They work for the major who serves the biggest campaign donors. So, the last thing they do (generally) is work for most of us. Of course, we all know self-auditing never works as well as it should.

It's the fraudulent Indian contract companies that abuse the program. They helped make IT work the leading edge in professional gig work. They all should be banned in the U.S. if anyone cares about U.S. workers anymore.