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Comment Re:Clean up your shit, Oracle. (Score 1) 270

I know it's just the client side JVM-plugin-whatever but Oracle's behavior isn't really making me want to go out and seek other Oracle products.

Yes, it /is/ just the browser plugin. Why do these headlines constantly turn into 900 comments of "Java sucks." Give me a break. One has nothing to do with the other. News flash: Java isn't going anywhere. WebLogic, WebSphere, Tomcat, yada, yada, power the world's "enterprise" software. Yes, browser plugin exploits are bad news and bait for bad press; they are great /. headlines. (Adobe ring any bells?) But, c'mon... understand the headline before ranting about how Java sucks and how you won't use another Oracle product. I guess you'll also work only with tiny companies that have no cash, because you'll be hard pressed to find many businesses not using RDBMS, WebLogic, or both... not to mention all the apps running on those. (Funny, too, how Oracle's biggest competitors - IBM and SAP - both use Java to power their offerings.)

Comment Re:For cripes sake... Java Plugin != Java (Score 1) 223

Java is fine, it's the barely-used-these-days plugin that's the problem.

That's right, the problem is the plugin that virtually no one uses which, according to Kaspersky, is responsible for at least 50% of infections on Windows (and also gave the Mac world their first widespread trojan, Flashback). It's just a good thing so few people use it. It's not like it ships with some new computers or anything.

I'm not suggesting that the major problems with the Java platform are anywhere other than relating to the plugin, but it's pretty disingenuous to say that no one has it. This time next year though, you might be more accurate.

Now if you mean that there are barely any applets written to use the plugin, then you might be right. But the fact is that a lot of people do have it installed, and it's the malicious applets that people actually are writing that are the issue.

You just reiterated my point. It's installed by default when you install Java and should not be. Of those infected, how many actually use the browser plugin? Not many...

Comment For cripes sake... Java Plugin != Java (Score 5, Insightful) 223

So sick of these headlines. Java is fine, it's the barely-used-these-days plugin that's the problem. I expect non-techy sites to omit that detail, but come on /. For those preaching that Java should be donated to Apache, give me a break. It's at the core of all "Enterprise Applications'" tech stack. Never gonna happen, nor should it. Best solution would be to decouple the plugin from the Java install and no longer shove it down people's throats.

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