Oh no, I have Windows 11 at work, had also gotten a new workstation recently, and was having a pretty serious meeting with some clients over MS Teams too, then it decides to recommend that I play Farming Simulator through the Xbox app. This is an Out of the box experience, granted the machine was new, so it hadn't quite gotten all of its policies set up yet, but still fucking mental to happen on an enterprise machine.

[According to Lansweeper's figures, 14% of Windows 10 assets have applied Extended Security Update patches.]

I do know of a few people who have applied for the extended security updates, and while it may appear as if the computer is enrolled, it is not. Myself included, plus a few people who rely on me for the unpaid IT support that I am forced to provide despite no longer working in that sector of the industry, it's a rabbit hole I don't want to go down or a can of worms I don't want to open.

I like to proclaim that I'm a native Linux user, but I've still got a few Windows 10 boxes laying around, occasionally I find myself going back to them, it's a nasty habit that I need to break.

There is still Windows XP in the medical industry.

I did have an experience with a Windows 11 evangelist who went to the extent of specking me out a rather expensive copilot laptop with half the spec of my Windows 10 desktop, 32gb instead of 64gb ram for example. Then they got fully really flustered when I politely declined, I've got a MacBook I keep up to date that I do all my secure transactions on so I should be fine...

I don't hate windows 11 just never saw the need to upgrade to it and I could if I was to go buy a $30 TPM chip for my motherboard, but I don't want to, plus being on an unsupported platform means I'm free from the tyranny of government oversight that appears to be gaining in enforcement in recent times.

I've always stuck with the idea that you should always keep your devices up to date so that they stay secure, but that also means you get new features, the problem with those new features is that they are absolutely shit, this applies to not only windows devices but smartphones, fridges all that other bullshit, nobody wants that, I'd rather just stay on an unsupported device and be happy, Just like how things were back in the XP era where you just installed the OS and then no one would fuck wid it...

I'll have to dig a little deeper, but my experience of installing software on Mac OS has been mixed, I didn't even realise I had LibreOffice already installed on it, the last thing I tried to install that gave me grief was Code::Blocks, It works but it gives me a clear warning about the software being untrusted and I haven't had the energy to try and fix it. It is something I want to explore more in the Mac OS ecosystem, and it honestly might come down to whether it was installed via DMG, PKG or just an App in a zip file.

Then there's gatekeeper, in my support days there's a certain key combination you have to hold down in order for it to give you the option to *install anyway* or *run anyway*, which usually results in Googling it and hoping you land on the right thread.

I was also just remembering a few months back when the Logitech software for the mx master broke due to a certificate issue. - That's the basket I'm putting this in, and I was under the impression that it was distributed via App Store which probably cost money to update, but I also just checked Logitech's website and was proven wrong, so I don't know, maybe I'm miss remembering it...

I'm actually gonna try and defend Microsoft here, if only to get this statement out, and ask the question...

Don't get me wrong I think what Microsoft is doing is bad and fucking over their customers, but I have a strange feeling the certificate changeover is actually the result of an Apple policy, like I can see in this thread that people are still running ancient versions of Office 2011, and probably on ancient versions of Mac OS, but modern Mac OS is a bit of a security pig and you have to appease the Apple gods to get anything to work, If you've ever had to try and download software externally outside of the App Store there is a bunch of security warnings and annoying bullshit you have to bypass.

Microsoft probably should get a spokesperson out to give some sort of response, but I have a strange feeling it may actually be the work of apple not letting Microsoft renew the certificates as to why the software will break, just wanna put that out there.

That said they shouldn't have modified the webpage, and they should have been more transparent.

They could have done something like "dear customer, sorry about the certificate renewal bullshit here free copy of office 2024" or something, and that would have won them good favours in the press and the consumer.

What are your thoughts!?

Edit: I am literally a guy running a pirated version of word 2023?? (365), the version before they put the stupid copilot dingbat on the cursor that follows you around, and I use Windows, Linux and Mac both as a software professional and a masochist...

>Be me
>Posted in the wrong thread like a moron.

I'm actually gonna try and defend Microsoft here, if only to get this statement out, and ask the question...

Don't get me wrong I think what Microsoft is doing is bad and fucking over their customers, but I have a strange feeling the certificate changeover is actually the result of an Apple policy, like I can see in this thread that people are still running ancient versions of Office 2011, and probably on ancient versions of Mac OS, but modern Mac OS is a bit of a security pig and you have to appease the Apple gods to get anything to work, If you've ever had to try and download software externally outside of the App Store there is a bunch of security warnings and annoying bullshit you have to bypass.

Microsoft probably should get a spokesperson out to give some sort of response, but I have a strange feeling it may actually be the work of apple not letting Microsoft renew the certificates as to why the software will break, just wanna put that out there.

That said they shouldn't have modified the webpage, and they should have been more transparent.

They could have done something like "dear customer, sorry about the certificate renewal bullshit here free copy of office 2024" or something, and that would have won them good favours in the press and the consumer.

What are your thoughts!?

Edit: I am literally a guy running a pirated version of word 2023?? (365), the version before they put the stupid copilot dingbat on the cursor that follows you around, and I use Windows, Linux and Mac both as a software professional and a masochist...

Damn that was a good opportunity to say some very very naughty things!

I could have said some very very naughty things in a git commit and blamed copilot.

I have a colleague whos code I was *fixing* and I could have let loose...

(You can interpret naughty however you like, rude, mean, kinky, whatever.)

"what I don't understand is why the rust in the linux kernel didn’t stop this? thought it was meant to be safe..."

That's pretty neat I guess I'm just remembering a product that I used back in the day, circa Windows 7 era called andLinux, it was great going through university with it because it gave me access to the Linux shell for my networking classes, and I think you could compile stuff through GCC with it, and it also didn't leave me with the burden of not being able to open .doc files, because I know that was a problem with the people running full Linux systems. - This is almost 20 years ago but universities aren't great at catering to people running more than one different system, even the Mac users were treated as second class citizens.

I do like that people are still developing stuff for very old systems and I also like being operating system agnostic. Life is great!

Of course Ruby is still a serious programming language! So many people on my GitHub fork my code to tell me to RIIR (Rewrite it in Ruby)...

Mango DB? Yeah I got that.

Want to try out the new Visual Studio 2026, but worried its full of AI crap. Still rocking VS 2019.

I saw this, and was going to post that exact video,

I even had to submit this as a solution to get rid of that stupid dingbat out of word, https://techcommunity.microsof... (linking to it because I hope it gets used as evidence towards them in court), I don't want copilot and I sure as hell don't want to pay for it.

I think the bigger problem at the moment is making sure the Microsoft Teams client will keep running without randomly crashing, doesn't help that my Windows 11 workstation only has 16 gigabytes of ram and is usually at 15 gigabytes used when at idle, just gives me an excuse to ask for more memory lol.

I once had my boss call me asking where I was and, I was at my desk, teams just randomly decided one day to stop working, now I get a little bit paranoid anytime that app isn't present in my taskbar.

Whenever I need to work from home, I just remote into my work station which is at the office, and it's a little bit easier to work since my home computer doesn't need to spend all its memory and processing power running the Microsoft teams client.

I'm sure there was probably some unannounced zero day this update was protecting against, making the inconvenience all worth it in the end.

Windows 11 is becoming the OS that people will love to shit on, and of course, I'm no exception, eat shit you adware ridded, TPM requiring, local account disabling, Farming Sim suggesting piece of shit!

My phone already had a stupid Voice Assistant named Bixby that I turned off, and I think that was 2017, before that there was the Voice Assistant for Siri and all the other crap.

Voice assistants can be good, they give a good amount of accessibility to those who struggle to type, or have a disability, I myself occasionally dictate to my computer because I'm a little bit lazy typing. - I've also had a wrist injury in the past, I think what Microsoft is doing here is they just added an LLM\AI assistant to it, no different to what Google is already doing with their Google Home devices, yes the experience is a little bit underwhelming, and it sparks concern for privacy, now your PC is always listening to you, but so is my Google Home, I guess if they could have found a way to do it locally, I'd take more of an interest in it, but then there is only money in selling the service, so of course it will be cloud based, and of course you've gotta throw in advertisements.

I could see it being of actual benefit for those random assortments of tasks that you perform on a PC such as bulk renaming files to a certain format, if you could use natural language processing there would be benefit rather than not having to deal with regex and slightly convoluted scripting languages, it would be nice if you could just say to the computer "hey take out all the numeric characters in these filenames" or something along those lines.

All I can really say is this just gives me more reason to stay on Windows 10, more reason to revert back to Windows 7, and more reason to switch to Linux.

I've also already seen memes of how Windows speech recognition has been available in the past, so this is just a new worse version of it. - like now how Google Assistant tells me jokes instead of giving me the weather report.

Also, fuck you Yusuf I already have a true partner, I've been married to her for over 10 years!

Finally, there's the "AI in the box" fallacy, if you want to fuck with advertisers just record a bunch of random assorted dialogue and have a CD music playing device play it back in a room with your computer listening, keep the AI guessing. (I have seen videos of people doing this).