Comment Re:No (Score 1) 549
Our intelligence might not directly exempt us from any laws of nature, but I would say it allows us many "freedoms" we normally wouldn't have without our intelligence. By understanding how "time unfolds" (physics/logic...) we can indirectly arrange large scale structures by causing small well designed changes.
I agree that we are just animals, definitely not unnatural or capable of such, whatever unnatural might mean. Humans might even be totally deterministic machines - pieces of the grand play already played in some sence.
For some reason you do not accept the concept of "controlling" nature (or my usage of it). Perhaps you think of it somehow too strongly, I never ment by the word control more than locally large changes initiated by small choises of a human. That is... they are changes only from our perspective only and occur naturally the only way they can if the universe and humans are though as deterministic machines, but that was not the point or atleast I never ment it to or argued it.
We can build nuclear bombs that can destroy the ecosystem of this planet (atleast in local time frames), perhaps we can also redesign the ecosystem to some extent on the genetic level and cause locally large desired changes in it. Naturally on large scale time frames our attempts are probably mostly futile, but that doesn't matter.
I must object to your way of using the word untrue as if anyone could really know anything universally objective about the truth. Humans can only have local data that gives them local information and it has been logically proven that no truths can be learned from data without assumptions that can never be proven universally right or wrong.
Based on the previous those assumptions in H-W or any other model for that matter will forever be imperfect atleast to some extent, but I guess that's the "nature" of science. It always remains a bit unelegant, but gets more accurate (atleast locally). ...so far atleast we can build the damn car.
BTW...I'm not native english speaker so I haven't analyzed every word exactly, I'm physics student in college and we have - possibly local cultural - way of unoficially using the "-mark to notify unexact or lose way of using a word...just to let you know ;)
I agree that we are just animals, definitely not unnatural or capable of such, whatever unnatural might mean. Humans might even be totally deterministic machines - pieces of the grand play already played in some sence.
For some reason you do not accept the concept of "controlling" nature (or my usage of it). Perhaps you think of it somehow too strongly, I never ment by the word control more than locally large changes initiated by small choises of a human. That is... they are changes only from our perspective only and occur naturally the only way they can if the universe and humans are though as deterministic machines, but that was not the point or atleast I never ment it to or argued it.
We can build nuclear bombs that can destroy the ecosystem of this planet (atleast in local time frames), perhaps we can also redesign the ecosystem to some extent on the genetic level and cause locally large desired changes in it. Naturally on large scale time frames our attempts are probably mostly futile, but that doesn't matter.
I must object to your way of using the word untrue as if anyone could really know anything universally objective about the truth. Humans can only have local data that gives them local information and it has been logically proven that no truths can be learned from data without assumptions that can never be proven universally right or wrong.
Based on the previous those assumptions in H-W or any other model for that matter will forever be imperfect atleast to some extent, but I guess that's the "nature" of science. It always remains a bit unelegant, but gets more accurate (atleast locally).
BTW...I'm not native english speaker so I haven't analyzed every word exactly, I'm physics student in college and we have - possibly local cultural - way of unoficially using the "-mark to notify unexact or lose way of using a word...just to let you know
