Comment Re:Folding@Home and Patents (Score 1) 21
> I can understand that you're upset about missing the boat on bitcoin and want a do-over
I'm not upset about missing the wave of bitcoin. I have no delusions that science coins will miraculously take over as the predominant means of exchange. I'm concerned about the dominance of nation states like China controlling so much hashing power (according to Bloomberg, China is home to 90% of bitcoin trades and 70% of mining) This only benefits the nation state. In addition to bitcoin, China is hording precious metals faster than it can use them as a hedge against anti-trade and nationalist policies gaining popularity in the West.
> these altcoins don't require or allow decentralization
Before the Wright Brothers, people assumed the only way people could fly was using an airship or balloon. Innovations in blockchain technology similar to a decentralized computational AI engine being developed by NeurealAI could negate centralized control for the means of production of research data. Should science coin participants stop what they're doing, and wait for this to happen!? Or can we innovate around the limitations today, and be ready to merge with such a technology when it becomes ready in x number of years.
For the moment, this is a unique way to attract more citizen science participation in distributed computing. Centralized rewards systems like those implemented by EVGA are noble, but very limited (they cost the company money). You can fold all you want, but only claim a limited discount on equipment from their online store. The lack of "grande" eureka breakthroughs from distributed computing (it's a mundane workman's kind of research that takes place very early in the discovery process (like potential druggable state discovery for example), has led to a slow, silent drift towards "corporate philanthropy". Google, AWS, Microsoft and others may be shifting idle cloud instances to contribute to DCNs. I doubt they are doing this without a tax incentive (nobody knows for sure) - something "folders" and "crunchers" have never been able to claim until possibly the advent of cryptocurrency.
> made-up token that happens to make early adopters wealthier and cause price volatility
... sure, however it's not like these coins have been kept a secrete. They didn't *suddenly* appear. People have been boosting them around the world for over two years now. You can look up CureCoin, FoldingCoin and GridCoin and come up with a combined >300,000 hits on Google. CureCoin, for example mentions a system of integrating with retailer coupon and charitable giving systems to encourage small folder participation as well. The intention isn't to drown out casual participant, but rather to give them more incentive than they couldn't get through philanthropy alone.
> if the public was soured on the concept of crowd-funded cures because of early exploitation
Crowdfunded research is notoriously ineffective. Look up the words Cancer Research on Indiegogo and you'll find countless projects (even those by well known research organizations) that NEVER reach "escape velocity". I believe, with all the disclaimers and caveats (on top of every crypto wallet including bitcoin's still being beta) anyone is betting the farm on digital coins keyed to crowd-sourced computing. If these payment experiments fail, people will go back to their previous levels of participation and let corporations further encroach into crowd-sourced computing. It would be a shame.
I'm not upset about missing the wave of bitcoin. I have no delusions that science coins will miraculously take over as the predominant means of exchange. I'm concerned about the dominance of nation states like China controlling so much hashing power (according to Bloomberg, China is home to 90% of bitcoin trades and 70% of mining) This only benefits the nation state. In addition to bitcoin, China is hording precious metals faster than it can use them as a hedge against anti-trade and nationalist policies gaining popularity in the West.
> these altcoins don't require or allow decentralization
Before the Wright Brothers, people assumed the only way people could fly was using an airship or balloon. Innovations in blockchain technology similar to a decentralized computational AI engine being developed by NeurealAI could negate centralized control for the means of production of research data. Should science coin participants stop what they're doing, and wait for this to happen!? Or can we innovate around the limitations today, and be ready to merge with such a technology when it becomes ready in x number of years.
For the moment, this is a unique way to attract more citizen science participation in distributed computing. Centralized rewards systems like those implemented by EVGA are noble, but very limited (they cost the company money). You can fold all you want, but only claim a limited discount on equipment from their online store. The lack of "grande" eureka breakthroughs from distributed computing (it's a mundane workman's kind of research that takes place very early in the discovery process (like potential druggable state discovery for example), has led to a slow, silent drift towards "corporate philanthropy". Google, AWS, Microsoft and others may be shifting idle cloud instances to contribute to DCNs. I doubt they are doing this without a tax incentive (nobody knows for sure) - something "folders" and "crunchers" have never been able to claim until possibly the advent of cryptocurrency.
> made-up token that happens to make early adopters wealthier and cause price volatility
> if the public was soured on the concept of crowd-funded cures because of early exploitation
Crowdfunded research is notoriously ineffective. Look up the words Cancer Research on Indiegogo and you'll find countless projects (even those by well known research organizations) that NEVER reach "escape velocity". I believe, with all the disclaimers and caveats (on top of every crypto wallet including bitcoin's still being beta) anyone is betting the farm on digital coins keyed to crowd-sourced computing. If these payment experiments fail, people will go back to their previous levels of participation and let corporations further encroach into crowd-sourced computing. It would be a shame.