Comment Re:People don't always want what they say. (Score 1) 354
"Almost nothing in the end-game instances require any skill whatsoever, and that includes raid encounters. Either you have the gear and the people and you know how to do it (note: following instructions != skill), or you don't."
Uhm, WTF? Sorry dude but this could apply to anything and absolutly everything in life. You know how to do it, or you don't. How about the learning process? See, that's the part you miss, and i get the feeling you have never stepped foot in AQ40 much less Naxx to say something like that. Sure MC/BWL involve alot of tank and spank, but AQ40 and Naxx require skill and learning to get an encounter down. What you fail to mention is that there are guilds (aka groups of people) like DnT/Drama/Nihilism ect. that go into these instances not knowing how to do it, having less gear than the guilds that follow will have, and they still manage to down these bosses. How is that, it's hard work and skill, it's knowing how to play your class, it's breaking out spreadsheets and calculating the most efficent way to acomplish something so that you can do it with less.
While alot of wow is a grind and is mindless, the real end game has developed into a rather intellectual pursuit. If you have seen the diagrams that DnT had for the 4 horsemen (when things like CT Raid Boss Mod and BigWiggs only worked up to AQ40) to calculate how much time each tank could stay on one horsemen before they would die, or if you have seen videos of the fights, you may become to realize that if you have no skill that no amount of running the fight over and over, no amount of gear currently in the game (i'm talking 40 players in full tier3 with legendary weapons and all), no amount of world buffs and flasks.. there simply isn't enough "stuff" in the game you can use to enhance your character enough to beat this encounter unless you have skill.
There are reasons why there are guilds with loads of players in full tier 1 that haven't downed Rag and loads of tier 2 but haven't downed nef or C'thun, and the reason is those guilds simply lack the skill of playing thier class or the skill of coordinating with others to accomplish a goal.
The attitude that you either know it or not, or you have the gear or you don't is the the attitude of a casual player and/or someone that gives up too easily. There are gear checks in the game (rag/vael/huhu/patchwork/Saph) but even then a group of people with the necessary amount of gear still won't down the boss if they have no skill. And for all those other bosses (literally those are pretty much the only bosses with gear checks unless you count the ony cloak) the amount of gear necessary to down them depends alot more on the skill of the players than the level of the gear they are wearing.
Uhm, WTF? Sorry dude but this could apply to anything and absolutly everything in life. You know how to do it, or you don't. How about the learning process? See, that's the part you miss, and i get the feeling you have never stepped foot in AQ40 much less Naxx to say something like that. Sure MC/BWL involve alot of tank and spank, but AQ40 and Naxx require skill and learning to get an encounter down. What you fail to mention is that there are guilds (aka groups of people) like DnT/Drama/Nihilism ect. that go into these instances not knowing how to do it, having less gear than the guilds that follow will have, and they still manage to down these bosses. How is that, it's hard work and skill, it's knowing how to play your class, it's breaking out spreadsheets and calculating the most efficent way to acomplish something so that you can do it with less.
While alot of wow is a grind and is mindless, the real end game has developed into a rather intellectual pursuit. If you have seen the diagrams that DnT had for the 4 horsemen (when things like CT Raid Boss Mod and BigWiggs only worked up to AQ40) to calculate how much time each tank could stay on one horsemen before they would die, or if you have seen videos of the fights, you may become to realize that if you have no skill that no amount of running the fight over and over, no amount of gear currently in the game (i'm talking 40 players in full tier3 with legendary weapons and all), no amount of world buffs and flasks.. there simply isn't enough "stuff" in the game you can use to enhance your character enough to beat this encounter unless you have skill.
There are reasons why there are guilds with loads of players in full tier 1 that haven't downed Rag and loads of tier 2 but haven't downed nef or C'thun, and the reason is those guilds simply lack the skill of playing thier class or the skill of coordinating with others to accomplish a goal.
The attitude that you either know it or not, or you have the gear or you don't is the the attitude of a casual player and/or someone that gives up too easily. There are gear checks in the game (rag/vael/huhu/patchwork/Saph) but even then a group of people with the necessary amount of gear still won't down the boss if they have no skill. And for all those other bosses (literally those are pretty much the only bosses with gear checks unless you count the ony cloak) the amount of gear necessary to down them depends alot more on the skill of the players than the level of the gear they are wearing.
