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Comment Re:It's almost like... (Score 1) 75

That sounds like addiction to me. My response was really to:

Now if you're a low memory persistence, medium IQ dopamine addict, you may actually get a lot of AI slop in your feed. As in actual slop, not the good stuff. Because that's what you actually like watching in short term, and then your low memory persistence means you fail to recognize it in before enough of the next video is watched by you so that algorithm assumes you'll click on the next one too. Which it is correct in assuming, as your low memory persistence will get you to click on it again and again.

And just because you hate yourself for liking AI slop, doesn't mean that youtube has a problem with AI slop. It's a "you" problem, not a "youTUBE" problem.

This frames the issue as an individual problem, rather than a societal problem, when YouTube is deliberately putting out an addictive product, and actively works on making it more addictive.

To put it another way, what if the "low memory persistence, medium IQ dopamine addict[s]" are thousands of teenagers with unformed brains and therefore poor judgment? Is that not a societal issue?

Comment Re:Populists love to oversimply things (Score 1) 181

What we need to do is focus on the value of the work created by a worker, and then can we leverage AI to produce the same amount of work for less hours of the person's time, giving that person more hours to their life but the same amount of pay.

Isn't that exactly what he's saying? That a worker's productivity gains should to the worker, not their employer?

Comment Re:You still want VGA and serial? Spare us. (Score 1) 80

The only item you mentioned that deserves derision is the CD player.

What if you want to listen to music or an audiobook that isn't on the radio and isn't being streamed? You might be able to play music from a thumb drive or something, but in many cases you would still need to get the original music from a CD.

Comment Re:Is this really a a good thing? (Score 1) 78

who was CEO of Home Depot for 7 years, didn't move the stock price at all, resigned and triggered a $210M golden parachute.

Why is having a stable stock price a problem (not that I'm at all justifying the $210M)? Because we have what Edward Zitron calls a "Rot Economy":

[M]arkets do not prioritize innovation, or sustainable growth, or stable, profitable enterprises. As a result, companies regularly do not function with the intent of making “good” businesses - they want businesses that semiotically align with what investors - private and public - believe to be “good”....

Venture capitalists are regularly incentivized to create businesses that look valuable but aren’t necessarily of value.... the path is always the same - growth, growth, growth, legitimization, growth, growth, acquisition, and then an eventual reckoning with real life....

As my friend Kasey put it in a recent conversation, growth is a fire. If you build a nice, sustainable fire, it’ll keep you warm, cook food and sustain life. And if the only thing you care about is how big your fire is, then it’ll set fire to everything around it, and the more you throw into it, the more it’ll burn. Eventually, you’ll have nothing left, but if you desperately desire that fire, you will constantly have to find new things to burn at any cost.

And we, societally, have turned our markets and businesses - private and public - over to arsonists. We have created conditions where we celebrate people for making “big” companies but not “good” companies.

Venture capital and the public markets don’t actually reward or respect “good” businesses or “good” CEOs - they reward people that can steer the kind of growth that raises the value of an asset....

The consequences are that these companies will continue to invest in things that grow the overall revenue of the company over all else. They will mass-hire and mass-fire, because there are no consequences when the markets don’t really care as long as the company itself stays valuable. Venture capitalists certainly don’t mind - after all, it’s “less burn” to “get you through” tough climates that were arguably created by the poor hiring decisions of a company that was never incentivized to hire sustainably or operate profitably.

Cory Doctorow:

Anyone holding growth stock knows that there will come a day when those stocks will transition, in an eyeblink, from being undervalued to being grossly overvalued, and that when that day comes, there will be a mass sell-off. If you're still holding the stock when that happens, you stand to lose bigtime....

That's where these growth-at-all-stakes maneuvers bent on capturing an adjacent sector come from.... Google is an especially grievous offender here. Familiar buttons in Gmail, Gdocs, and the Android message apps have been replaced with AI-summoning fatfinger traps. Android is filled with these pitfalls – for example, the bottom-of-screen swipe gesture used to switch between open apps now summons an AI, while ridding yourself of that AI takes multiple clicks.... they must convince investors that their AI offerings are "getting traction."

If we had an economy oriented towards stability as opposed to growth, CEO's might not have quite so many headaches today.

Comment Re:You go first... (Score 3, Interesting) 71

First, replace Anthropic's CEO.

The Twilight Zone's way ahead of you: The Brain Center at Whipple's

Spoiler alert:

Whipple eventually fires all his human employees after replacing them with machines, which then turn on him by spitting out the harsh demeaning recorded parting words of his former employees back at him over and over, driving Whipple to insanity. Eventually, the board of directors find him neurotically obsessed with machines and retire him...

The last scene reveals Whipple's replacement to be a robot (Robby the Robot), which swings Whipple's key on a chain the same way he used to.

Comment Re:Work for hire? (Score 1) 92

A derivative work that does not interfere with the commercial exploitation of the original is one of the major categories of fair use, even if the derivative work is commercially exploited. To run afoul of copyright, a substantial portion text needs to actually be reproduced.

Style cannot be protected by copyright—it is not a product; to litigate against human imitators, complainants need to prove there is some attempt to trade on an association with the original. For example, when Scarlett Johansson went after OpenAI for the Her-imitation voice, Skye, she was able to demonstrate that Sam Altman tweeted "her" and that she'd turned down an offer to supply her voice previously. Similarly, companies have gotten in trouble for hiring imitators to perform sound-alike songs in TV commercials when the original performers and songwriters turned them down.

In general, when an LLM produces something specific, it's because it was told to do so. ChatGPT will happily regurgitate Bible verses, for example. Only when there is a single clear way to respond to user input will you see obvious copying. The often-spouted misinformation that they're just blindly regurgitating things they've been fed previously is the result of not understanding the technology. Except in the case of fine-tune datasets being used for retrieval-augmented generation, the authors of training data have no more claim to the AI's output than the authors of the books you read have a claim to your own thoughts.

If, as a human, I want to impersonate Scarlett Johansson, I have to contort my larynx etc to make my voice sound like hers (which I can't). And however much it might end up sounding like hers, it is still my voice. If an AI does it, it is taking audio recordings of her voice and digitally rearranging them to make it sound like she is saying something she's not. That is beyond the realm of human impersonation or imitation and probably requires new legislation to deal with a new technique. It is more akin to algorithmically doctoring a photo.

Again, it's the difference between human interpretation and digital alteration. Copyright law seems to be equipped for handling the first and not as much the second.

Comment Re:Work for hire? (Score 1) 92

A derivative work that does not interfere with the commercial exploitation of the original is one of the major categories of fair use, even if the derivative work is commercially exploited. To run afoul of copyright, a substantial portion text needs to actually be reproduced.

Style cannot be protected by copyright—it is not a product; to litigate against human imitators, complainants need to prove there is some attempt to trade on an association with the original. For example, when Scarlett Johansson went after OpenAI for the Her-imitation voice, Skye, she was able to demonstrate that Sam Altman tweeted "her" and that she'd turned down an offer to supply her voice previously. Similarly, companies have gotten in trouble for hiring imitators to perform sound-alike songs in TV commercials when the original performers and songwriters turned them down.

In general, when an LLM produces something specific, it's because it was told to do so. ChatGPT will happily regurgitate Bible verses, for example. Only when there is a single clear way to respond to user input will you see obvious copying. The often-spouted misinformation that they're just blindly regurgitating things they've been fed previously is the result of not understanding the technology. Except in the case of fine-tune datasets being used for retrieval-augmented generation, the authors of training data have no more claim to the AI's output than the authors of the books you read have a claim to your own thoughts.

A human author writing "in the style of" (i.e. imitating) another author is still going to draw on their own experience and their own technique, even if it's subtle. And they still need to come up with an original story that will work with that style. That's why "style" can't be copyrighted - because human authors make what they write their own (IANAL).

LLM's absolutely do not and cannot. They have nothing else to draw on other than the original, copyrighted material. There is an input and an output, however complex the process in between. So whatever LLM's produce is necessarily derivative, unlike a human author writing an original story the way they imagine the other author might write it.

Also, for an LLM, the only way I can get something "in the style of" a particular author is to digitally copy their original works into the system. If those works are copyrighted, and I don't have permission to do that, that's infringement.

"A derivative work that does not interfere with the commercial exploitation of the original is one of the major categories of fair use"

If the market is flooded with cheap, AI-generated derivative work that is on par with the original author's work, and in the same genre, that would seem to be interfering with the commercial exploitation of the original by competing with it. And who knows if that author will get opportunities to publish new work if they're competing with an AI that is trained on their earlier work?

Comment Re:Thanks for the warning. (Score 4, Insightful) 258

Malware is the justification for the kill switch. The concern is that the technology may be misused down the road for other things. Maybe 10 years from now, kill switches will be used to shut off legitimate apps that are considered a threat for some reason (like Iran shutting down Twitter during the anti-government protests). Maybe they can use the kill switch if you are watching a documentary or reading an article you're not supposed to...
</tinfoilhat>

Comment Re:This just in... (Score 1) 196

What on earth are you talking about? Facebook makes money off ads and marketing data. Period. Users voluntarily (and involuntarily) provide Facebook with specific information that's valuable to marketing companies. Facebook encourages its users to do everything on Facebook (photos, events, fan pages, etc) for the purpose of collecting sellable information.

Facebook may also make money on complex marketing reports - why do you think companies like MasterCard and Foot Locker now advertise their Facebook portal instead of their own website?

The point of TFA, and the study that it cites, is that advertisers are obviously able to target users based on sexual preference, which means Facebook is sharing this information with marketers.

Obviously, you missed this article:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/21/179242/Facebook-Master-Password-Was-Chuck-Norris

Comment Re:Since when... (Score 1) 551

That works out to less than a pound a day (~0.68 lbs). Large numbers have a way of being misinterpreted, it helps to put them in perspective.

That's a lot of meat for one person in one day. It's almost three quarter-pounder hamburgers every day . An entire package of deli meat is 6oz (I checked). So 0.68lbs a day is two whole packages of deli meat every day. Even with bones, included, that's more than two chicken drumsticks a day (four drumsticks are about a pound). Nutritionally speaking, 0.68 lbs is over 300 grams, which is far more protein than anyone needs (the RDA is 50-60 grams). It's not even healthy on the consumer end, let alone the production end.

Regarding what people would eat instead of meat, I don't know the answer to that. Maybe we could take the corn being used for high fructose corn syrup and make something nutritional out of it. Yes, that would involve sacrifice. The main problem seems to be overconsumption (which I mentioned earlier) and possibly overpopulation. We do have an obesity epidemic, after all.

you say this as if it's a new idea... It is cheaper to keep a pig healthy than it is to restore health to an already sick pig. This is one place where Human medicine could learn a thing or two in the US. The current health insurance system has no mechanism to foster disease prevention as opposed to disease treatment because it is too focused on the cost of each procedure and not on the total cost of providing health care of each patient under each scenario.

I admit that I am venturing into territory that I am not an expert in, but my understanding is that many of the practices of factory farming, including nutrition (not feeding animals their natural diet) and "housing" (cramming many animals in a confined space than is natural), is causing a higher rate of disease. That was what I was referring to. You mentioned stress as a potential factor. As presented by opponents of factory farming, animals are put into situations where they're more likely to get sick (due to cost-cutting measures), and then fed antibiotics to compensate. Perhaps that narrative is false, but that is what most opponents of factory farming believe.

I completely agree with you regarding human medicine. I believe prevention is starting to become more of a focus. Things like stress should also be more of a focus (if it's true for animals, it's definitely true for humans!).

Meat and Bone meal and Offal are ground up and fed back to recycle the high quality protein other high quality nutrients

I honestly thought this practice was banned after the Mad Cow outbreak. And cows are herbivores, so why would they need to eat animal-based protein? Unless they're being deprived of something else. Since you focus on nutrition, I'm sure you have insight into this. But it seems to me that this practice would increase the risk of disease.

All human activity has an effect on the environment, the problem is that we pick a couple of industries and target them to the exclusion of all others.

Maybe you just feel picked on because you're in the industry, so you're more aware of criticisms of it. I have plenty of concerns about practices in other industries. I generally don't actually hear many people talking about the meat industry at all. Most people don't care, or don't want to think about it. It's only since Michael Pollan's book came out that more people are even starting to question where their food is coming from.

I'm in New York, and the people who do care try to support local farmers who they actually get to meet and know. For example, Manhattan has seasonal Farmer's Markets several times a week in several locations, and they are very successful. That's in reference to your earlier comment about how 99% of people are disconnected. Some people do make an effort to get reconnected.

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