..we need to make sure we stay away from Europa
Clearly he's a Windows admin.
"such as, well, the right to have property in the first place, and not have it taken away by someone stronger and with a bigger gun!"
No, in this country the government will take it for them and claim its "for the betterment of the public". Which means that theory is a load of shit.
"your libertarian ideals are indeed better (good luck with that...)"
The majority of people who have it explained to them come to understand rather quickly that it is indeed a better way. However most people - nay almost all people in this country believe that they only have two choices. Thats a fallacy put forth by people like you who are afraid of having to actually earn what you have.
Your argument about africa has nothing to do with a free market or libertarian society. Matter of fact most of those governments are less corrupt than ours - they just dont have the power and influence to screw everyone over. Thats left to the drug dealers and slave owners. No different than it was in the western world 600 years ago - just more modern weaponry.
(and if you believe the reason we are where we are right now is governmental interference in day to day life I suggest you remove your head from your ass and start reading about the events in the world in the late 1700's - and not just the ones in this country)
Because powerful people fear freedom for the masses.
Even in the ancient Greek and Roman societies that started this mess known as democracy - the powerful and influential were a level above the commoners. No different than here in the USA today. (If you think otherwise consider that although we have moved past some of the barbaric attitudes held in ancient times we still treat the "upper class" as if they are special or somehow more worthy than the commoners, this is amusing and sad considering the vast majority of them inherited their wealth.)
Who stands to gain the most in a Libertarian society ? The common man.
Who stands to lose the most ? Those in power.
Who gets to control the decision ? Those in power.
It is not lost on most educated people that the reason we are the only major developed country in the world with a two party system is because our country is young, naive and lazy. Countries who have been through this song and dance before know better than to have the government control every aspect of daily life. The most recent attempt at running a major country like that was Soviet Russia - that worked out splendidly.
Libertarianism is not a political party - its an altruistic goal that any person can hold regardless of party. The act of being a politician or being involved in politics is one of balancing what you believe with what is attainable. As Obama's fanboys will soon be reminded of.
The 20th century belonged to the united states because Europe spent the better portion of it blowing itself to hell, rebuilding and then doing it again.
The US never really suffered from the effects of WWI and WWII like Europe did. Add into that the fact that the US sold weapons and materials to the parties involved and *bam* you have a 60+ year domination.
You will however note that the past 30 years have seen the US becoming less and less dominant, and losing its edge in critical fields (Math & Science are only the beginning). Add into that the fact that we've spent the last decade being a bunch of head in the sand religious nuts and you'll quickly start to realize that the bailout, these wars, social security etc etc are all one massive failure - namely the pending failure of our entire system. Based on the government doing what it was never intended to do.
Thats what the supreme court is supposed to be for. Checks and Balances lest we forget. Even if they go that route its not unimaginable for the court to stop them.
I'd go so far as to say that if the politicians in office are going this far to subvert the fundamental principles of this country then we really are screwed - and heading for a Soviet style collapse.
"I do think the voters are getting what we want on average"
No, they are not. Thats specifically why things keep failing. The president thats leaving office, the economy, our rights etc etc.
Thankfully we cant easily muck about with the Constitution - now if only people would start paying attention and remember that their trivial needs at this moment are NOT as important as the principle of this country (and by extension the long term health of this country).
You need tender loving care once a week - so that I can slap you into shape. - Ellyn Mustard