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Comment Re:Yes but (Score 1) 697

It's not that hard, but it's completely unreasonable. If you are licensed or legally employed as an engineer in other state, it's appropriate to call yourself an engineer. It's a dumb law. Make Registered Engineer a reserved word if you want, but not "engineer". According to the laws wording, you can say the examples you give. But if you said "I'm an engineer, but I'm not registered in Oregon" that still means you called yourself an engineer, and thus, you're practicing engineering without registering, thus you've broken the law. That's broken.

Comment Re:Yes but (Score 1) 697

Nah, they explicitly state that calling yourself an engineer counts as practicing engineering. ORS672.007(1)-b. It shouldn't. It makes it impossible to describe yourself as an engineer when you are not registered in the state, even if it's a true statement. It's an overbroad law that infringes on the first amendment.

Comment Re:Correcting myself (Score 1) 697

Thank you. Yeah, it looks like it's just 672.007(1)-b that's the problem. There should be a legal distinction between "engineer" and "registered engineer". Having it be otherwise serves no benefit. By the letter of the law, that wording means that even calling yourself "engineer who is not registered in the state of Oregon" counts as practicing engineering. The law makes it so you can't refer to yourself by occupation if you are under that circumstance.

Comment Re:Not News (Score 1) 697

Good insight, thank you. But the law in question doesn't say you can't call yourself an engineer. It says you can't practice engineering or offer to practice engineering in the state. He has done neither. Arguing that calling yourself an engineer implies that you are a registered professional engineer in that state is ridiculous, and if it's typical for the state to interpret the law as such, then that's a practice that should change. The law as written is perfectly reasonable.

Comment Re:"engineering" (Score 1) 697

It's more than just surveying. It's designing any structure or process that has the potential to be a risk to life, health or property. Even if he said "8 seconds would be better than 7 seconds" or whatever, that still shouldn't count, since it's not a proper engineering deliverable. Now if he offered to be the engineer responsible for designing the timing on the lights, that'd be different.

Comment Re:First Amendment should trump state law (Score 1) 697

There's no "should" about it. The First amendment does trump state law. The Constitution is clear on that. The problem here appears to be that one or more people misinterpreted the law in question. This is partly because it's poorly written, and fails to define what constitutes practicing engineering. Now if he said, "you should hire me as an engineer to fix your lights," that would violate the law.

Comment Re:What's really sad here... (Score 1) 697

But the guy clearly didn't violate that law. The law in question is in regards to "safeguard(ing) life, health and property," In other words, you aren't allowed to build a bridge or yourself select a timing for traffic lights. You _are_ allowed to observe, experiment, and provide information. You just can't be treated as an authoritative source.

Comment Re:EE Degree (Score 1) 167

Quality CS programs have every bit as much logic and reasoning as engineering programs. Frequently, they have quite a lot more. And the only math that they miss out on is advanced math that only applies to pretty specific realms. I know there's a struggle over whether or not CS should require Calculus, and I've known many people who dropped out because of that calc requirement. Personally, I think it's extremely valuable.

When I was waiting for a new project to begin, my company put me on infrastructure purchasing for a while. I did horribly at it. That said, in a lot of business, the mentality is to never go cheap on development hardware, because when it breaks, the combined salaries of all the man-hours wasted is usually higher than the money saved. And even tiny amounts of latency creates massive productivity losses with autocad.

The Process is all. The Process be praised.

Comment Re:TFA ignored obvious facts (Score 1) 167

You didn't have a computer on every desk. But more and more, in the 1970s, you saw the universities buying terminals. And before we had a computer on every desk, computer scientists would work out programs on paper and implement them via punchcards. Parent is wrong about there not being a CS degree. It wasn't as common as it is now, but all the major tech schools had at least started a CS department by 1970. In the US, things like the Cold War made computing a pretty high priority, so there was lots of funding to be had.

Comment Re:TFA ignored obvious facts (Score 1) 167

You are completely wrong about CS degrees. The first computer science program began at the University of Cambridge in 1953. In the US, Purdue University started their CS program in 1962. Universities adopting a CS program increased pretty rapidly through the 1970s. If you were an engineering school in the 1970s, you had to have a mainframe. And if you're gonna bother to invest in a mainframe, you might as well set up a proper CS department to make the most use of it. The intel 4004 microprocessor came out in 1971. From there, it was pretty immediately obvious that programming was gonna be huge.

Comment Re: theodp (Score 1) 167

You hear rumbling about the US shifting to that model from time to time, and to an extent, we do that. Often the model is that the doctor acts as oversight. You get a hello from her, she signs off on the diagnosis/treatment and then moves on to the next patient. The biggest stumbling block I see that will likely always require doctor participation is in prescribing controlled substances. We require extra credentials for that because of that abuse potential.

A couple years ago, I spent an extra 6 hours waiting in an ER bed because they wanted to get the specialist to look at my injury and his shift hadn't started yet. In my admittedly complete and total armchair armchair opinion, I don't think that was necessary at all.

Comment Re:Don't buy this (Score 1) 440

Sure, you'd either want it to have some clever method of utilizing risidual heat to force the moist air to rise up and out of such a vent, or you'd want to build in a dinky exhaust fan to circulate the air between the washer and the ambient air, and maybe a hygrometer or two to know when to shut off. You might even be able to pipe the moist air out through the dryer exhaust. My washer is one of the moldy models, and I've never had any problems with doing a pre-soak. So long as I leave the door open after the wash, everything is mold and odor free. You may have had an even worse washer design than mine, or there's a slight chance you had a damaged gasket. Oh well; I'm glad you're happy with the new washer!

Comment Re:Don't buy this (Score 1) 440

It's pretty common for people to get protective of their stuff, whether it's a car, or a kitchen, a laundry-room or a workshop. It's also common for people to get the fussy attitude of "only I can use this thing right" out of a sense of self-importance. Or maybe she just really wants to do their laundry because she likes to feel useful. Or maybe he was slightly embellishing the nature of the "paranoid lectures" to better explain why he was wary of the machines. Now, is it "possible" she's had to deal with ditsy/forgetful family members repeatedly molding up he washer despite clearly and repeatedly explaining the situation? Sure! But you authoritatively decided that this one possibility out of many was the only reasonable cause, and then went on to insult the guy's family, saying "Obviously, too many of your family members are idiots, and can't follow simple instructions". Taking that attitude when provided with no additional background is a pretty harsh way to treat strangers on the Internet.

And besides, screwing that sort of thing up, even screwing it up repeatedly doesn't necessarily make someone an idiot. Kids are trained at an early age not to leave doors open. This can get ingrained pretty deep, such that when you see an door hanging open; particularly when it's potentially hanging out like a potential safety hazard, and you're walking by it anyway, you may be compelled to close it. And if you happen to be distracted with something else at the same time, like being in the middle of a conversation, then it's not idiotic memory of the newer, less inuitive instruction may fail to signal. FWIW, thanks to the class-action lawsuit on the matter, if you owned one of these, you're entitled to a $50 check, and up to something like a 30% reimbursement if you did indeed end up replacing the washer.

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