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On Mike Moore and what not

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  • It's a nice soundbite, but I don't think it applies here. Moore doesn't apply it to his subjects for example, look at the way he twisted and manipulated Charlton Heston's speeches, taking a sentence here and there and crafting a whole new meaning from it. Moore is not interested in rational debate at all, I hear in his latest film he plays a Rumsfeld speech over footage of surgery on a bomb victim, he never actually says "Rumsfeld personally did this", but he tries to get the viewer to associate the two. Mo

    • Now, admittedly, what I'm about to quote is from an article [michaelmoore.com] written by old Mikey himself, but then again, people are still allowed to defend themselves, right?

      Heston took his NRA show to Denver and did and

      said exactly what we recounted [michaelmoore.com]. From the end of my narration setting up Heston's speech in Denver, with my words, "a big pro-gun rally," every word out of Charlton Heston's mouth was uttered right there in Denver, just 10 days after the Columbine tragedy. But don't take my word - read the transcript of [michaelmoore.com]

      • Take this interview [go.com] as an example.

        TAPPER: Discussing pre-war Iraq, your films shows many tranquil scenes of the country, kids flying kites, smiling Iraqis, but knowing what we do know about the brutality of Saddam's regime, which you do mention at one point in the film, are those pictures a fair representation of pre-war Iraq?

        MOORE: They're a fair representation of the civilians that were killed by our bombs.

        Yes that is factually true, civilians were killed by bombs. Now, what conclusion are we supposed t

        • But you don't see any liberals trying to get this Tapper fellow shut down because they don't like what he's saying, do you?

          Is Moore the be-all and end-all of truth? Fuck no. Like anybody, he's biased. I find that he's capable of well-researched and well-presented information (like the opening chapters of Stupid White Men, for example) as well as lying and what not.

          But when somebody like Rush Limbaugh literally DOES tie together disparate quotes from several years worth of Hillary Clinton interviews a

          • But you don't see any liberals trying to get this Tapper fellow shut down because they don't like what he's saying, do you?

            Does Michael Moore count as a liberal? And does threatening to sue people who criticize his movie count as trying to get them shut down?

            No offense, but your basic premise is helplessly naive. Speech can be harmful. Speech is a right, yes, but not an unlimited right. In fact, I'm just making an educated guess here, but I'd imagine that speech has been abridged more and more often than
            • Moore isn't anywhere near the line; he has not advocated violent change, indeed most of his writing is directed towards encouraging people to engage actively in the democratic process. He hasn't even advocated illegal avoidance of military service as far as I am aware. He has severely criticised his government's policy, as (in the UK) has at least one high ranking knighted General. Ifthis kind of internal dissent becomes illegal, democracy will be in danger from within.
  • I, for one, look forward to actually seeing F-9/11 and then making my own mind up. I watched a few interviews with Moore; his point was that Fox "News" and the like have never asked the tough questions of the current administration, and his point was to present an alternate viewpoint. Fair enough, as the neoCons have Fox pretty much locked up and the other guys (CNN/MSNBC/etc) are too scared to appear to be "agin' us."

    In many ways, the hubris displayed by critics of F-9/11 reminds me of the controversy su

  • Where on earth did the idea come from that disagreeing, however vocally, with someone's statements constitutes an abridgement of his right to make those statements? I have every bit as much right to criticize Michael Moore for cutting Charlton Heston's words to shreds as he does to respond by calling me a "whacko attacko" and declaring that anyone not filing a lawsuit against him has nothing to say.

    For that matter, he's the one assembling a team of lawyers to preemptively threaten anyone who criticizes him.

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