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Comment Re:Seems reasonable to sell a product (Score 1) 238

So you did get your copy of OS X for free with an Apple product then, as I said.

And no, what you're doing with that copy right now is not intended. Apple's EULA does not allow it. You're actually in breach of contract. That you can technically pull it off doesn't matter; you can use many things for purposes they weren't intended for. You can use that shiny Snow Leopard DVD as a coaster, just don't complain to anyone when it becomes unreadable.

That Apple used to charge for their software in the past hardly matters; they don't now, and even back then the software was solely intended for use with their hardware, period.

Comment Re:Legally logical -- but leads to certain things (Score 1) 238

Fair enough with the car example; and of course I am aware that some car companies also sell just their parts. Let a man have his obligatory car analogy, will ya?

The issue with DRM is more complex and there is a point to be had there. However, you're still buying the product as is and as advertised. Disassemblability is not an explicitly advertised feature. You can sell the whole thing as is to somebody else. Whether you must be able to also sell individual bits and pieces of it is rather debatable.

Comment Re:Right... (Score 1) 238

it's obviously trivial to also offer the same option for an OS

I don't know what planet you live on, but on the one I'm from this is far from trivial. Windows detects differing amounts of RAM and CPUs etc. pretty autonomously, there isn't a lot the vendor has to do to offer these variations. However, supporting an entirely different operating system, ensuring that all drivers are working, keeping it maintained with updates/ensuring updates to the OS don't brick the machine, training support staff to support customers with the OS... all that is far from trivial and multiplies costs and work loads with every additional option you offer. The product matrix grows exponentially (hardware variations * OS variations).

No vendor is interested in doing that unless they see significant income from it that offsets the costs. And that simply doesn't exist in the real world.

Comment Re:Seems reasonable to sell a product (Score 1) 238

Is that Hackintosh supported by Apple in any way, or any other company for that matter? Did you legally obtain a copy of OS X according to Apple's EULA? No and no.

Of course you can cobble together your own computer from sand if you want to, nobody is stopping you. But Apple is not intending for their software to run on that machine, nor would they sell you the software for that purpose, nor will they support you in any way if something goes wrong. You're way off the reservation with what you're doing and are not even participating in the same discussion.

Comment Re:Legally logical -- but leads to certain things (Score 2) 238

Sony isn't selling you "the HARDWARE". They're selling you A COMPUTER WITH OPERATING SYSTEM (and loads of other crap).

Seriously, Sony's mantra is that they're differentiating themselves through their bundled software. I worked there, that was their official line.

If you want to buy hardware, find a company that sells you hardware. Sony apparently isn't it.

Comment Re:Legally logical -- but leads to certain things (Score 1) 238

I wouldn't even necessarily describe it as "a bundle". It's a product. The product includes an operating system, necessarily, because without operating system all you have is an oversized paper weight. Sony doesn't want to be in the business of selling oversized paper weights, nor of supporting people who bought them to install some OS of their choosing. Sony also doesn't want to offer other operating systems. They are selling their product, part of which happens to be the Windows operating system.

Would we have the same discussion about any particular hardware part that comes with the product? Is anybody complaining that a car company is selling cars only as "complete bundle" instead of each part individually? Companies simply choose what business they want to be in. Sony doesn't want to sell naked hardware, just as a car company isn't interested in only selling you the engine.

Comment Re:Seems reasonable to sell a product (Score 2) 238

(and Apple)

Apple only sells you hardware, the software is "free" (asterisk, caveat, it's accounted for in the development budget of the product, yada yada). You cannot purchase the software separately, even if you wanted to. The software only runs on their hardware, if you have the hardware to run the software, you already have the software. It makes no sense to sell the software on Ebay, because a) it is free to begin with and b) anyone who has the hardware to run it also already has the software.

Microsoft on the other hand only (asterisk, caveat) sells software and is trying to get their foot into every possible 3rd party hardware sale and insists on their part of the money from that deal.

Just to clarify the Apples to Apple comparison.

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