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Comment Re:another example (Score 1) 147

I'm Indian, a tech CEO of a company with about 250 people and who has lived in the US for about 30 years.

The comments made here are partially true. These challenges do exist. However, the company I run is about 80% Americans, educated in US. I have similar issues with them.

1. Engineers and Managers who do not want to make a decision. Or make decisions without thinking of business consequences. Or thinking about how the changes will impact paying customers.
2. When there are personnel issues Managers do not handle them properly. Or they escalate and the next level senior managers drop the ball and do not want to deal with them. Effectively Zero responsibility.
3. Managers and engineers who think that just because you are using Agile then you do not need to work to a schedule or to a project budget.
4. No one wants healthy conflict i.e. even if people disagree with a design decision they keep quiet or bring it up much later, when there are consequences. Or they are passive aggressive, which is equally bad.
5. Heck, I even have customers who are involved in requirements and say little, till they are shown the product and then start criticizing.
6. I could go on.

So, while I acknowledge what you stated and don't completely disagree (Indians in India do need to address some of their work habits), I can find similar examples here.
By the way, we have about 30 people in India and there are ways to get them to be really engaged and not exhibit the behavior you outlined above, which we have done.

Comment Re:another example (Score 2) 147

Okay, I'll bite - long time lurker but this one caught my attention. This is most likely a troll, unless @siliconforge and yourself just dislike Indians in general.

Why ? The conclusion from @siliconforge is that "these great US companies are performing poorly and going down because of these "Indians who are educated in this bad education system" ". But, is that true ?

This has little to do with the "Indian education system" because:
1. Sathya Nadella (Indian education) at Microsoft is doing a lot better than Steve Balmer (presumably US education). I can find a plethora of such examples but will limit to one here.

2. Boeing is run by people with US education and look where it is. So, are we now going to make this about how bad the US education system is ? GE, HP, Sun Microsystems .... the list goes on. All run by people with "American education".

3. The MBA degree that everyone loves to hate here was created by the US. So, we have to blame ourselves first. This degree is partially responsible for these "managers".

4. The US financial system (and capitalism) rewards short term profits. Boeing is a great example. A smart, intelligent human is going to go where the carrots are. It has nothing to do with Indian education, Swedish education, US education or Timbuctoo education. There are good, intelligent people in all countries and poor ones in all countries.

5. It is US corporate leaders and US board of directors and US Wall Street that is appointing / rewarding such "managers". If they did not do that then these "managers" would not have jobs or be exhibiting the behaviors they are. In a sense these "managers" are the messenger.
So, you want to shoot the messenger and keep the rest of the system ? Wow, that sounds really smart.

6. Are there managers and engineers you all work with from India who are not good ? Obviously. So, do I. But I can find plenty of US educated engineers / managers who are similarly poor. So, what ?

And somehow AC is linking the poor state of UK's public services into "Indian education system". Are you a troll, too ?

Comment Re:Sexy Temples (Score 1) 68

1. I do not believe India is going the Hindu nationalist direction. Hindu's are just beginning to react and push back against the constant pressure they face, in their own country and despite being a majority in that country.

As a tiny example, Islamists and Christians, both conduct forced conversions in India regularly, even today (google it; you can read opindia.com). People are beginning to push back. Naturally, this will get the attention of the media, much of which is biased against Hindu's (colonial history). India has had about 400 - 500 years of Islamic rule, and then 200 yrs of British rule. The British especially, not only destroyed Indian institutions and culture but also created an inferiority mindset. Unfortunately, the first 70 years of independence featured political parties that were not nationalistic (note that this is not fascist) or really focused on raising the standard of living. Indians and Hindus are beginning to shake this off now.
NOTE: For most of history - Indian civilization is at least 12,000 years old, if not more - India represented around 50% of world GDP. There is a youtube video for just the past 2000 years that shows that India and China were around 30% of world GDP each. After all, why did the Islamists and British come to India (and China) if it was not too loot and pillage those countries off their wealth. Roughly 45 - 60 trillion USD was stolen just from India (google it).

2. From a religion perspective, India can never have misogynistic overtones. In Hinduism the male and female (energy) are worshipped equally. The worlds oldest books, the Veda's (and the basis for India's scriptures) had at least 26 female contributors, in addition to male contributors. If anything, the female is a step above.

There are many Gods who are female and many who are male. The concept of Gods in Hinduism is very different from that in other religions. These are not Gods sitting in Heaven someplace, lording over us. Instead each God has attributes, values associated with them. You worship what the God stands for. The idols and pictures you see are not worshiped as clay idols. They are worshipped as the values that that God stands for. Everyone knows that the idol is made of clay and it would be silly to worship clay. You do not worship the clay but the symbolism. Hinduism is enormously symbolic. Makes it hard to understand by those who are not born / grow up in the culture - someone has to explain it. As an example, you can read up on why the Shiva cosmic dance statue is at the CERN collider and what that means.

NOTE: It is important to appreciate that the India you see today has had its culture changed due to these 500 + 200 years of rule. Many bad practices crept in. And also many bad practices were forced onto the population. e.g. people talk about the caste system. Well, it will surprise most Westerners that India originally did not have a caste system. There is no word for "Caste" in Indian languages. Caste comes from Casta, a Portuguese word. Caste was foisted on and enforced within India by Lord Macaulay (google it; but no Wikipedia please; it is another biased against Hindu/India publication). Culture also changes because some of the conquerors mistreated women and children. So, the culture evolved to protect women. Over time this can result in bad practices, of which there are many, in addition to wonderful practices.

NOTE2: Before the British arrival, a lot of family wealth was controlled and owned by women. The British passed laws that destroyed that. Through most of India's history (barring the last few hundred years), at a practical level, women had a lot of power and respect. There have been many women rulers and highly educated women. In the past 70 years, India has had at least 1 woman Prime Minister and at least 2 Presidents who were women (including the current one).

3. Another comment one often hears about Hindus is that you have a huge number of Gods. Well, yes and, all the Gods in Hinduism lead to one, the supreme consciousness. This consciousness permeates everywhere. The paths to get there are many. The reason that there are so many paths is because every human being has unique needs; each human is different. Hence, people pick what works best for them. Some like to worship by going to a temple, others through Yoga, others through singing hymns, yet others through meditation etc.

4. Hinduism is enormously diverse, broad and deep. If anything, it is not a religion in the way that that word is used for other religions (where you have a single book, you have to follow that book, where there was 1 historic event that took place 2000 or 1400 years ago, and everything is tied to that event). Very briefly, there are at least 8 or 9 very different and diverse ways of explaining God / why we are on Earth etc. In other ways 8 or 9 different philosophical systems, each of which would take a lifetime to fully understand and each of these have sub-schools. These run the gamut from denying the existence of God and claiming that all you see is all there is (materialistic) to having many gods or just 1 god. The names of the schools are Jain (Jainism), Bodh (Buddhism), Charvaka, Nyaya, Vaisesikha, Sankhya, Yoga, Mimamsa, Vedanta. Each school has had many lofty thinkers who deeply analyzed creation, reasons behind it etc. and wrote their treatises. Through the ages these schools have verbally battled with each other, each trying to find logical fallacies and errors in the other. But none of this ever resulted in wars or killing each other.

Comment Re:Kinda creeped out by India lately. (Score 1) 84

You cut internet access to millions of people so that you can ensure that the anti-social elements are unable to use mass communication methods to whip up hysteria and spread false narratives. In this manner you avoid an enormous social unrest, including criminal elements who are absolutely going to attempt to incite violence. All of which is supported, aided, funded by ISI, the equivalent to the CIA , in Pakistan. If you have doubts about above just google what happened in Punjab in 1980s and in Kashmir since 1980s. Last I checked, saving lives was more important than if internet access was cut for 2-3 days or even a week.

Comment Re: They did the un-needful thing (Score 1) 84

Yes, that is absolutely correct. Often I find the Western press harping about internet blackout or phone blackout. But they never write a single news story about the lives lost. In Kashmir more than 80,000 lives were lost over a period from 1980's through current. Shame on the Indian state for letting this happen. Hardly any news coverage. But when the government finally did something to bring peace to the region, which involved internet blackout for several weeks, the media was all over it. I guess people's lives are less important and significant than internet connections. Must have internet connections even if they result in people dying.

Comment Re:Nothing says Vaporswear like Pleading Ignorant (Score 1) 84

Sorry, but as stated in my post above this is plain incorrect. Do not believe the usual Western newspapers. Either visit India and see for yourself or read a few Indian newspapers (read a mix - Opindia.com, Republic, TimesofIndia, IndianExpress etc.). India is equally vibrant today in democracy as it was before. However, what has definitely happened is that political parties other than Modi's party are not faring well. Why ? It is certainly not due to "electoral autocracy" or fascism or . It is simply because Modi's party has done a pretty good job of governing the country. Just looks at the data (First 70 years since British independence India had 70 airports w/74 added in last 8 years, 40km of freeway being constructed per day, high speed train network being built etc. Just google it). Of course, the problem is that any good democracy needs a strong opposition. It would be better if the political parties in India attacked Modi based on fact rather than just emotional blame or yelling. Its called constructive criticism. In the absence of this, people have stopped voting for them because they have nothing constructive to offer. It is not that there is no opposition. Its just that it is not particularly good or effective.

Comment Re:Something missing? (Score 1) 84

It has started becoming violent (they stormed a police station 2 -3 weeks ago). Lots of guns. It will grow to become very violent. If anyone has doubts, just look up Bhindranwale in 1980's. Very similar situation to the current one. In that case, eventually it resulted in army and police action against such people. They had pretty much defiled their most holy place of worship, had prostitutes living there, guns, etc. Well over 2000 people died over several years due to terrorist activity. This movement will become equally violent very quickly. By the way, none of this is supported by the vast majority of people living in that area. Punjab and sikhs are an integral part of India. As a movement this time around and also the previous time around it has been funded and fostered by the ISI of Pakistan (ISI is their CIA).

Comment Re:Something missing? (Score 1) 84

Sorry to say so but that is plain false. Yes, I know the Washington Post said so, hence it is true. The NY Times said so, hence it is true. Or BBC or Wall Street Journal etc. . All these newspapers support or have on staff writers that are biased - leftists, marxists etc. Look at who writes the stories. Also, then compare it to what is actually happening on the ground in India. The two do not match. I am Indian, in US for decades and visit India often. From my first hand experience democracy in India is equally vibrant now as it was before Modi. This by the way is the root cause of lots of misinformation. Most of us cannot be everywhere. Hence we trust the news, filtered through our own lens (our internal biases and perspectives). In the case of India, Western news outlets frequently publish factually incorrect, biased, condescending articles. Often, and sadly, written by Indians to lend them a semblance of respectability. I can provide dozens of examples from just the aforementioned 4 news sources and it is easy to do a google search yourself also ("how is Washington Post biased against India"). One has to go and travel in India to realize that most of these news stories are false. Plain lies. Compared to the 2 political parties in US, India has scores of political parties, a strong judiciary and a very diverse culture, which does not make it easy to

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