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Comment Re:People will catch on. (Score 1) 144

They are getting tired of yo-yo gas pricing games. We got an Ioniq 5 over 3 years ago and it's been great. With 113k miles that's $20k of gas not boughten, maybe 375 times I didn't have to stop for gas, about 17 oil changes it hasn't needed.

$20,000 of gas avoided in three years? Holy shit. In fairness, that's a wild outlier of a use case. I pretty seriously looked at an Ioniq a couple years ago, liked the car, but just couldn't get anywhere near cost parity with a gas vehicle even with a moderate use daily driver. We do about the "normal" US amount of driving, 10 thousand miles a year give or take, and the cost difference even with the EV subsidy was just way too high. I mean just back of the envelope, if you figure 24mpg fuel economy for the gas car and 10,000 miles driven, at $3 per gallon that's only $1250 of savings a year in fuel. The upfront cost was easily in the tens of thousands of dollars more range for EV versus a similarly spec'd out gas car, and because of that higher cost to buy my yearly insurance cost increase was going to offset most of the EV fuel savings.

Even if the cost of gas goes to $10 a gallon in the US with this war, it would need to stay there for many years to justify the cost gap between a new EV and a new gas car with comparable features, for an average driver. If you're putting on 40K miles a year as an uber driver or something that math is a lot more favorable though.

Comment Re:Cool, I guess? (Score 1) 71

According to filings I was able to find, The Commonwealth has a 20 year procurement contract with Vineyard Wind for 6.5c/kwh (2017 dollars, about 8.5c/kwh today). Or $85/MWh

In January the average wholesale electricity price was about $124/MWh.

This doesn't mean the average customer will see a ~30% drop in their utility bill of course, but this is definitely adding cheaper power to the market which in turn should bring utility bills down.
=Smidge=

Averages aren't really a useful way to determine if a generating asset will have an impact in wholesale markets. For one, wind output is highly variable but follows broad seasonal and daily patterns. It's very possible for the bulk of the output of the wind farm to be in periods when power would already be cheap. One particular bit of trouble you run into is the wind lowers the price in off-peak hours, but the system still needs expensive power units to stay online to help cover the peak hours (imagine a coal plant, for example). The market then ends up setting the price higher in peak hours to incentivize those units to stay on, and it's not uncommon for large thermal units to run at a substantial loss when wind is available but make that money up in the peak hours. They'll throttle their output to minimize this, but there's some baseline level those plants have to output at just for mechanical reasons.

In broad terms, what that means is "cheap" wind or solar power can, depending on the local situation, make the cost of electricity go up even though their marginal cost of production might be lower on average. Which feels counterintuitive, but in a roundabout way it's the cost of reliability being baked into the wholesale price and wind/solar have an inherent reliability penalty. If all you cared about was cost then you're almost certainly going to just run the baseload power units that you need for reliability more often and forego the wind/solar capital expense. This dynamic is the whole reason all these subsidy schemes for wind and solar exist... the raw financial incentive for wind and solar isn't there in the wholesale market, and is particularly bad when you're comparing new-build wind and solar versus an existing fossil or nuclear power plant (since they're already a sunk cost). If the goal is to reduce CO2 then you need those existing facilities to throttle down or close, but using them is almost certainly cheaper than building a brand new asset. So the new asset needs incentives.

Now if your renewable production usually lines up with your demand pretty well, like in the case of homes that overchill during peak solar hours and use that "thermal bank" during peak consumption hours (usually at dusk, when solar output drops off) then this is substantially mitigated. And to some degree, with the right pricing schemes, you can shift residential and industrial demand partially into the hours when wholesale power is cheaper. But by and large if you have wind and solar at any scale then it's going to take significant amounts of batteries or massive transmission ties into other regions with low wind/solar penetration for that power to be regularly useful, which are themselves expensive and raise the cost of wholesale power.

Comment Re: No (Score 1) 49

What I dont understand is who is this for? In buisness contexts I get it, but personal use? There is the very occasional project where, if I could trust something like this, it might save me marginal amounts of time. But the vast majority of the time this would be useless. Where's the market? Can anyone here explain exactly what some massive agent swarm is supposed to do on my computer other than be a massive liability? It seems to me almost like theyre looking at time spent on computers like its a time suck that can be eliminated, but the vast majority of the time people are doing it for enjoyment anyway. Like, if I want to buy a watch, I want to research and understand that myself. I dont want to pay an AI provider to shit out a watch reccomendataion while I mow the lawn.

Comment Re: +1 Informative (Score 5, Insightful) 339

Texas has had the most ICE arrests under many presidents because its an easy place for immigrants to both cross the border and surrender, and many border crossers just dont go further. The high statistic is just border apprehensions. There arent masked ICE agents in Texas urban areas en mass running cars off the road, teargassing, beating, and murdering people. The comparison is bullshit.

Comically Trumps goons accused Minnesota law enforcement of not cooperating with ICE detainers and the local law enforcement provided receipts that it just wasn't true. The "non cooperation" is just made up. People there are up in arms about the blatant constitutional violations and harassment. The cops were openly supportive of ICE up until the murders, and subsequent harassment by ICE of off duty MN cops.

Minnesota has one of the smallest illegal immigrant populations in the nation. Do you know how badly you need to want to be here to leave someplace tropical and end up in Minnesota? There is literally no mathematical or logical justification for what is happening, other than an attempt to make an example of a political opponent. Its intimidation by a thug, nothing more. Glad to see Minnesota give those assholes a rash.

Comment Return to "normal" (Score 4, Interesting) 66

Its interesting to think about what an anomaly the last hundred or so years has been. Prior to easy photography and radio/telegraph virtually all information would have been secondhand and easily manipulated or misconstrued. At the founding of the US there would have been many printers in any major city, each with agendas. There were prominent "debates" held through these publications that were done by pseudonym and were often false or salacious. Realistically thats part of what lit the fire of the American revolutionary war. When you think about it, it all looks a whole lot like the modern partisan media landscape with all its manipulations.

I dont know how this all unfolds, and its entirely possible modern technology amplifies the bad aspects of this way more than in the past (its a lot easier to be fooled by a realistic image than a political cartoon, for example). But i do take a little comfort in the fact that we've been here before.

Comment Re: Even more so. (Score 1) 79

China might have more water logistics than the US but remember a ridiculous volume of goods travels through the Mississippi and great lakes. I'd guess the two nations are within earshot of each other there too.

Its interesting, for as much rightful shit as the US takes for not having more developed commuter rail it has a substantial freight rail network. In fact theres a lot of youtube videos arguing that fundamentally the rail differences between the US and Europe in particular are largely prioritization of people vs freight rather than lack of investment.

Comment Re:Planned economies (Score 1) 155

severely allowing people to afford EVs

*For now*

The purpose of dumping like this is to disintegrate competition, as it's not physically possible to keep up with a competitor who can sell at a loss indefinitely via funding from the state or other unrelated business assets. It's part of why monopolies are supposed to be illegal, and what the Chinese have been doing violates international trade rules (which are laughable in their enforcement). The Chinese have been pulling crap like this for two decades, with the explicit aim of making western nations too dependent on their industrial base to take any serious action against them on other issues (Taiwan annexation, human rights abuses, etc.).

But the end state of these kinds of tactics is those Chinese firms will be all that remains, and free to jack up prices. Because of the cost and complexities involved in entering the industry it's unlikely competition would re-emerge globally, and if it did the Chinese government could just temporarily funnel money back into the industry to destroy foreign competition again. Even just the threat of that would be enough to kill most private investment in the sector outside China.

People need to reckon with the fact that cheap Chinese goods do not exist because the Chinese are more efficient, frankly what efficiency advantage they have in most industries is small. Those cheap goods are enabled by a mix of environmental damage, human damage, and state funded economic warfare. Those are costs, even if they're hidden from the consumer. It's incumbent on governments around the globe to account for them honestly, and restrict trade to compensate.

Comment Re:Good on Google (seriously), however (Score 1) 43

They really should've compared it to the European ECMWF. The US's GFS model has fallen way behind the ECMWF in all sorts of ways, and the US government doesn't seem inclined to provide adequate funding to remedy that.

Note that this is not intended as an anti-Trump post; this has been a longer-term issue over mutliple administrations, both Democratic and Republican.

Yeah, the US model is well known to be worse than the European models overall, but sometimes better in select scenarios. Typically I hear forecasters mixing predictions from the various models based on circumstance.

But even ignoring that... I'd expect that a trained model like Googles would dominate a relatively tepid hurricane season. What will be interesting is if it does a better job on an extremely atypical, high impact (landfall) storm system, and can replicate that repeatedly. In general in modeling (anything, not just weather) there is no one "right" model, as tempting as it is to think so. Various models make tradeoffs based on the parameter of interest, the circumstance, etc. I think there's a lot of potential for newer AI/machine learning techniques to improve modeling across a range of disciplines, but there is no "one ring" of models. It's just not a thing.

Comment Re:Return to office (Score 3, Interesting) 125

Even if you assume full RTO (which won't happen), at $100,000 per H1-B, you're only going to need a reasonably low number of people in the team to setup a remote office for the entire team and ship a manager out there to oversee them - or just outsource that role too.

Fairly obviously, this almost certainly won't result in many thousands of H1-Bs each paying $100k to the US government each year; it'll result in many thousands of jobs that would have been paying US taxes on their wages, and then paying for accommodation, a car, for leisure, and whatever else into the US economy paying their taxes and spending their wages in wherever the new (or expanded overseas) office is instead.

Smart countries will be making setting up offices and bringing those outsourced workers in much easier right now, but I'd also expect some buildings in India are going to see their "Tata Consulting" logo get one from Amazon, Microsoft or whoever alongside it too.

You're assuming the next step here isn't punitive changes in tax or monopoly law to punish offshoring. All the executive has to do is threaten convincingly that it's in these tech companies best interest to bring jobs back to the US, or they'll find themselves on the wrong end of a whole lot of executive action. Whether it's from Trump or the next populist, the threat of having your tech monopoly broken up would be existential. Until recently the large corporate players thought they were invincible, but Trump has shown that it's really just norms and popular sentiment that enabled them to gut the US workforce in favor of cheap overseas labor. Those norms are shattered, and popular sentiment in the US was turning against globalism even before Trump.

If I were in charge of these corporations I'd read the writing on the wall and begin onshoring with US native workers as a hedge. Tech giants have gotten too comfortable with the idea they can outmaneuver any consequences of US policy with lawyers and clever logistics, but the reality is they're extremely vulnerable.

Comment Re:Misleading headline (Score 5, Informative) 120

No, prices aren't rising. Owners are **choosing** to raise prices because they can.
If the gov't (yeah, i know) mandated a sliding cost scale, with highest prices for the biggest users, things would change rather quickly

That's not how electricity prices work.

In non-wholesale market areas the cost of electricity is set by the government. The net return to the utility is fixed and pretty low, low to mid single digits percent. Monthly or yearly price variation in those regions are virtually always related to pass-through costs like fuel or storm damage which the utility "passes through" without markup to the customer. New large loads, like a datacenter, basically get explicitly approved by the state via regulatory mechanisms to ensure they don't raise prices for consumers in excess of the benefits they provide the region.

In wholesale markets prices are set by the market itself (which an independent regional nonprofit runs), with generators bidding into the market with cost curves. That works a little differently market-to-market, but basically the utility calculates their breakeven cost for each generator and submits that. The market stack-ranks all the generators bid in, in real time (say every 5 minutes). The controllers for the grid then send orders to the generators whether they should be online, and at what generation level. There's all kind of complexities with that I won't get into. The key observation there however should be "wait, if they're bidding in at cost how do they make money?" And the answer is the unit "on the margin", i.e. the unit that is the most expensive that is required not to have blackouts, sets the market price in any given 5 minute period. That "most expensive" unit nets basically no money. Everybody else makes a profit of whatever the difference is between the most expensive unit's generating cost and their generating cost. There are independent market monitors that make sure no generator/utility are exerting market influence to game the system (which is illegal).

The author of the blog post is picking up on something real, which is that transmission constraints are increasingly impacting wholesale prices. There's quite a bit more going on than that though, and more transmission won't solve all of it.

One issue is that the price in a given hour is increasingly set by a marginal generator that is totally divorced in price from renewables. In a perfect world those higher cost marginal generators would eventually be replaced by the lower cost technology, but in practice the lower cost technology (solar, wind) is incapable of reliably serving electricity. So the more expensive generators stick around because they have to, and the renewables operators just increasingly pocket the difference. Most grid operators use a separate market that clears once a year and compensates reliability to ensure the grid doesn't collapse because stable generators retire. That has its own insufficiencies, but the end result is that the wholesale price of electricity is increasingly meaningless for sending price signals to generators as to whether they should stay operational. It really only works for telling a generator if they should be outputting in any given minute, not if a plant should continue to operate.

Another issue is that because of the way intermittent generation (wind, solar) warp the market the wholesale cost of electricity increasingly means nothing to consumer bills either. Take California, with the ironically stable (if high) wholesale prices but the soaring retail costs. Why is that? It's because incentives are warping the generation market, and those incentives are funded outside of wholesale electricity cost. Home solar rebate programs. Transmission infrastructure cost (solar/wind are typically far from power consumers and require a lot more/bigger power lines). Insurance cost (more transmission infrastructure for solar/wind increases the likelihood of things like wildfire, which increases insurance cost). Cost to build battery storage. Etc. These things all end up as line items in a homeowners bill, and they're functionally direct costs of wind and solar.

My personal take, as someone who has worked many years in the electric utility industry, is that the wholesale markets (MISO, PJM, etc.) are intrinsically broken. Price signals are not robust enough nor forward looking enough to accurately steer decision making. A more wholistic, top down decision making process just simply works better, and allows better control over things like carbon targets (especially when you have a range of goals among participating states). These market constructs frankly weren't devised very well from the beginning, and the problems with them have grown exponentially as wind/solar/other technologies have appeared and become cost-viable. The alternative is what we had before, and what 1/3 of the US still has: vertically integrated utilities, either privately owned and heavily regulated or outright owned by a government entity.

Comment Re: Time for China to do its duty (Score 1) 148

Right, because the treatment for addiction to heroine is to make the world around you so fantastic you dont feel like doing heroine anymore. Totally works. Honest.

At this point, given how terrible social media and mobile games have been found to be for childhood development, id almost rather my kid got addicted to a chemical than a phone. At least that has practical solutions. Very difficult to remove kids from a digitally saturated society. Giving a pre-teen a smart phone should be flat out illegal.

Comment Re:One can only hope... (Score 3, Insightful) 46

... that the c-suites who rushed this sort of crap onto the market without proper testing because $Profit , suffer some of these effects themselves. I wouldn't wish it on their kids as I don't believe in the whole sins of the father thing.

A lot of these harsher pesticides were developed in the 50's, and frankly coming out of the famine era of WWII the priorities were different. We also didn't have quite the safety culture in that era.

I remember as a kid growing up on a farm being warned to be very careful around any insecticide. The logic was something along the lines of: "While herbicides can be hazardous, by and large they're tailored to plants and you aren't much like a plant. So generically the risks are more minimal. But you are, fundamentally, a lot like an insect. So whatever an insecticide is trying to target to kill insects is probably something that could also mess you up."

Its stuck with me all these years, and I think it's generically good advice.

Comment Re:Eventually that will trickle up to everybody (Score 3, Interesting) 160

Interesting cost analysis there. Let's look at middle range model (and assume that someone who wants to pay someone to mow the grass isn't going to be happy with the cheapest robotic mower (since no one is, those things are rubbish) and say $3000. The OP says cutting takes an hour. Grass needs cutting every week in the summer, and lets say every 3rd week in the winter, so you're looking on average every second year. If you assume that it costs $20 to pay someone to mow something for an hour you can pay someone for 6 full years before you've paid off a robot mower.

How long does the mower last?

I actually have owned two robotic mowers, one from Kress' RTKn line and the newest equivalent from Segway. Decided the tech had matured enough to give it a shot, since they're now satellite guided and actually plan routes rather than using a wire and bouncing around like an old Roomba. I've got about 3/4 of an acre of actual lawn to mow, relatively easy but in a climate where grass grows something like 8 months out of the year. In peak growing season it's really 2 mows a week minimum unless you've planted very specific types of grass that don't naturally grow well in this climate and require a ton of irrigation.

I'll say confidently that these mowers are no longer gimmicks. Honestly I'd be surprised if just mowing a yard is much of a job in another decade.

The Kress as a machine was pretty good, but their gimmick is the owner can't program them themselves and needs a dealer... and the dealers just didn't want to support after a sale. But the new Segway Navimow is impressively good, and fully programmable. Cost $2200 for a model that can mow an acre. Extremely good mapping, easy setup, good interface. Uses multiple cameras for not just collision detection but also to physically reference objects around it and use them to correct for potential drift. Fast enough that it can mow the entire lawn in a long day (about 18 hours, counting charge time).

So in my case, if you figure an annual average mowing of 50 times a year (about 1.5 mows a week during the 8 month growing season), the mower actually pays itself back pretty fast. I was getting quotes around $100 for a service to come in, per mow. If you already owned and maintained the equipment maybe you could get a local kid to do it for half that or less, but certainly no adult making a living would do it... and even at $30 a mow for a high school student the payback is easily less than two years, realistically one full growing season you're about there. Even if other folks are in a northern climate with much slower growing grass you're talking only a few years to pay back.

The main hangup has been that the technology kind of sucked before now. That's pretty much resolved. The only real barriers to adoption now are sunk costs in traditional equipment, unfamiliarity, and difficult yard issues (mainly dense tree cover messing with satellite signals). It's not perfect, but I think we're at the point of "good enough" for widespread adoption.

Comment Re:The problem is not data centers (Score 5, Informative) 88

The problem is investor owned utilities

That's a pretty ignorant take.

As someone who has worked around, in, and consulted for the electric industry for decades at this point, I can say with confidence that private versus public utilities really don't have any meaningful difference in outcomes at the meta level. It's been studied pretty extensively, and there are high profile examples of under/over performance under both models as well as conversion between the models. It's such a heavily regulated industry that whether the government controls it directly or not doesn't really matter. In areas where private utilities have really had bad outcomes it was underpinned by poor regulation and lax government oversight. Which is the same reason publicly owned utilities fail, and there's no reason to think the same government that couldn't manage the private electric utility would have done any better running it outright.

People think their bills are set by the utility, but they aren't. They're set by the state. Virtually all costs and incentives are codified for privately owned utilities, and can only change with government approval. Fluctuations in your bill are caused by passthrough costs like fuel and power purchased off the market, which the utility makes $0 on and simply passes on to the consumer. In fact it's very common for a private utility to actually be subsidizing those consumer costs by incurring the full cost up front but passing it on prorated over time for the sake of bill stability. Sometimes the utility even eats a portion of the cost recovery as a loss simply to appease regulators.

The major argument for privately owned utilities that the government regulates is that public utilities have a tendency to become a political football, and that gives incentive to hide poor performance. People don't like to see their bill go up, so there's a natural incentive for politicians to subsidize utility operations out of general tax funds. And because poor performance reflects badly on the government there's also a tendency to not report it. The consumer ends up paying for that regardless, but because those costs get hidden they're hard to address. While some of that exists with private utilities too, because of the adversarial nature of the government relationship it's much harder for private utilities to hide issues. Most states have an office dedicated toward arguing against private utilities on behalf of the ratepayer, in addition to extensive auditing power.

Beyond all of that though, in this specific case with data centers, there's a lot of hot air. Grid operators like PJM in the American North East have been ignoring criticism that they were allowing too much firm capacity to retire for two decades, well before the data center boom. We saw MISO's capacity auction go berserk two years ago in similar fashion, well before these big data center deals were inked. We all know what a shitshow California and Texas have been. These grid operators are actually fortunate they've got the scapegoat of datacenters now, since most industry insiders have anticipated these same issues arising without datacenter loads. Wholesale markets worldwide do not have adequate market constructs to actually ensure grid reliability, and do not have good forward-looking planning or processes for anticipating transmission build. These market construct weaknesses were first seen with large-scale wind and solar deployments, and now datacenters have massively amplified the issues.

Comment Re: Killing...or Protecting? (Score 1) 193

You're assuming eventual US replacement of production capacity, but realistically a lot of stuff just won't get bought. There are many teenagers who refuse to wear the same outfit twice for fear they'll have the same outfit on in two social media posts. They buy clothes that literally disintegrate after a few uses for a few dollars, and either throw them away or "donate" them. Nobody is going to replace that production here, the culture will just shift away from disposable clothing and the consumption will go away. There's a lot of stuff like that in the US, and I'm certainly guilty of throwing things away that still largely usable simply because a replacement was so cheap the inconvenience didn't feel worth it. Its a really toxic culture honestly.

A huge proportion of US spending is discretionary, and its likely that a lot of these cheap imports just dont get replaced. That money will shift to other sectors of the economy, maybe even to offset cost increases on actual essentials. Its why economists have been pretty squirrely about trying to predict the exact impacts of these tarrifs... its very hard to predict the economics of changing consumer behavior due to a change this big. A lot of impact could be offset by consumers simply keeping products longer (via repair, tolerating minor defects, etc.) and being less wasteful, and thats a hard metric to forecast.

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