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Comment Re:The talented ones can (Score 1) 237

Generally the "even engineer dads can't make heads nor tails of it" objection is that the engineer dads didn't spend a couple minutes reading the helpfully coloured highlight box in the textbook. There has been a push in math to develop teaching methods that emphasize understanding rather than memorization. Thus 5x3 becomes 5x5x5 or 3x3x3x3x3 instead of "STFU and memorize your times tables."

A better example, also from Internet memes, is a procedure where you add or multiply a pair of larger numbers by breaking them down into component problems. 37 + 55 becomes (30 + 50) + (7 + 5) and some "parent" on Reddit or Facebook with add a comment like "why can't they just do addition like we learned??" Someone sensible will usually point out that people who are good at arithmetic will often use decomposition on harder problems if they're doing them in their head.

The teaching algorithms are pedagogical tools used to increase understanding or illustrate problems from different perspectives, not the final here's-the-algorithm-you-should-always-use".

I said that the 5x3 answer being marked wrong was likely due to a poorly educated teacher. No, primary school children probably won't be multiplying anything non-commutative soon. That was a joke. However, it is important not to instill, and then spend years reinforcing, incorrect facts. You shouldn't tell students things like "multiplication is defined as commutative" because that kind of thing will eventually screw someone up.

Comment Re:The talented ones can (Score 1) 237

Sure. I think the GP's example, if it was correctly described, is probably a sign of a teacher who doesn't understand what they're teaching.

I was pointing out, educationally I hope, that the GP also doesn't really understand what they're talking about, despite claiming it's "simple." Which, incidentally, makes me suspect the anecdote may not be entirely accurate.

Or maybe they want to prepare the kids so they're not shocked when they start Clifford algebras.

Comment Re:wow! That's terrible (Score 1) 237

Fractions are difficult for lots of people. You have to understand what a fraction is before "just double the denominator" is simple and obvious. It's not a new thing. There's the story of the 1/3 pounder failing because people thought the 1/4 pounder was bigger. I have a relative who specialized in teaching remedial fractions.

It is kind of shocking that American universities are accepting large numbers of students who can't do basic math, and in programs that apparently involve calculus no less.

Comment Re:Intergity (Score 1) 290

but also in economics, with the 2008 financial crisis that was caused by a failure of the institutions that are supposed to regulate such things.

Dunno, the institutions who were supposed to regulate such things did a pretty good job here, as they did in most places that weren't the US or a specific bit of shadiness between the UK and Iceland.

Comment Re:Too Simplistic (Score 1) 81

Did they make any attempt to distinguish between correlation and causation?

Such as? There have been a couple of controlled studies on ultraprocessed food. They found weight gain and other things like speed of eating associated with the UPFs and not other diets. Good luck doing a decade long controlled study until people get heart disease, even if you somehow convinced an ethics committee to let you try.

https://www.cell.com/cell-meta...
https://www.nature.com/article....

There have also been lots of mechanistic studies of many of the common ingredients in UPFs.

Comment Re:It a guidebook... (Score 1) 243

Sure. Everyone should learn Latin in school. Greek first though. You don't properly apprciate Latin if you don't already have Greek. Then a few modern languages, at least one Romance to follow the Latin plus a Germanic and some form of Chinese. Better throw in Japanese and something with click consonants too. Practical math absolutely, and shop and don't forget home ec. Advanced math too... none of this "choosing" to take calculus. Science classes should cover physics, biology and chemistry for everyone, to an advanced level. Some economics, sociology and anthropology too, and definitely comprehensive history. Every child should graduate knowing how to fix a toilet, maintain their brakes and perform competent Japanese joinery.

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