And they will, over time. I hear the same expectation/need from the other side all the time - the engineers actually building the hardware have good practices beaten into them as they're coming off the college factory line; the programmers coding for the hardware wouldn't know "good practices" if it hit them in the face. And it usually does, repeatedly, until they learn or decide it's not what they thought they'd be doing. Programming - software engineering - is becoming more of a discipline over time, but we're still years and years away from where the old engineering teachings are.

And don't even get me started on "computer engineering". Most of the schools I've seen fail to teach any of computer science, software engineering, or generic engineering to the kiddies in that major. The premise is good, the output lacks.

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go look at www.microsoftsucks.com. heh.