Uh, isn't Ubuntu technically Linux? I do agree that Linux was for pros in years gone by, so you had to be extremely proficient (i.e. be able to google and understand) to use it. I do believe that many people over-emphasized the problems though. MS did package things up nicely and get things to work well (through constant bullying and monopoly powers). But like you pointed out now there is Ubuntu. My point is not is MS viable, because it clearly is. It is whether it is relevant or not. With the exception of games, I do not use or need MS for anything (and quite honestly couldn't bear using without Cygwin). And as for the games, that is primarily due to MS's monopoly bullying. I used to be one of those Linux heads that was like, "OMG, when will MS die." But now I am more like, "can I shell into Unix? OK, works for me." It is the relevancy of MS that I am talking about.