I'm really sorry, it is late here, and I only skimmed what you wrote. Partly it was the length, but partly because I think you think we disagree where I think we don't.
Sorry about that last sentence. Like I said, it is late here.
Out of curiosity:
So apparently you can become a nation in 6 years if you are white... even if your assertion is correct, why couldn't Palestinians be one in 80 years ?
I am really curious what made you think I disagree with that statement. Part of the problem on /. is that people don't read through the thread they participate in. Here is what I wrote, right at the start of my :
My side (the pro-Israel side) has started pushing the "Palestinians are a made up nation" narrative. I hate that narrative. Not because it is factually false, but because it is irrelevant. Whether manufactured or organically grown, whether ancient or 60 years old, the Palestinians are a nation today, and as such, their quest (such that there is) for self determination is a legitimate one.
I trust you agree?
My point was that the religious/historical claim of Jews to the land of Israel is no stronger than that of the Palestinians since they clearly have equally ancient roots in the area. What they called themselves or whether they saw themselves as distinct for all that time really doesn't even come into the discussion - it just doesn't affect anything.
There is no one saying otherwise (well, obviously, there are fanatic nutheads that do, but they are very far from being mainstream in Israel). The right to the land is not, in my eyes, due to 2000 years old divine mandate. I won't go into the entire argument (did I mention it is late?), but suffice it to say that the "the Jews stole the land" narrative has about 2% truth, and the rest is just ugly, baseless propaganda. Most of the land, at least inside the green line, where Jews live was bought from its previous owners. As usual, when you go over the green line, things become much murkier, but even there they are not as clear cut as the Palestinians would have you believe.
The same goes for the actual occupation. Very few in Israel want this situation to continue. At the moment, sadly, shifting things in any direction beside "worse" is unlikely to happen. Some of it is because Jewish fundamentalists (and a government that sits idle while they act), but some of it is definitely because of Abu Mazen and the Palestinian society.