It should really be CS vs. SE (Score 1)

Computer Engineering cannot be compared to CS. They are to different entities. What CS should be compared to is Software Engineering. SE is applied CS, much like chemical eng. is applied chemistry. "Science is the study of what is, Engineering is the creation of what never was" (Theodor von Karman (1881-1963)) The problem is people in the Engineering field dismissed software development as a byproduct so CE hardware design. So the "SE" that is refered to today has its roots with the CS community and not the Engineering one. The other problem is that it is a misuse of the word engineering. SE has been used to describe all types of software development, which is incorrect! With the world's increasing dependence on software which is embedded everywhere around us, we need SE's with an engineering education focussed on software, unlike CE which focuses on hardware. For example, how safe do you feel about the embedded systems in your car or your pacemaker or in nanotech.... it goes on forever. I cannot wait until the day when a Software Co. issues a guarantee with its product and not a disclaimer. It can do this because it had SE's design it with strict mathematical specifications to ensure soundness and completness. This is done in all other Eng. disciplines, why not software? Well enough ranting for now... Thoughts?