>There are over 50 TRILLION dollars of these CDS out there carried by banks who use them as collateral to make loans. They are actually worthless at this time so these banks are in reality bankrupt. That is why banks can not loan right now.>
Sorry, while I don't disagree with the sentiment, I think you may not fully understand what a CDS is or what banks use them for when they manage risk - in fact at a guess I would suggest you have confused CDS and CDO. Actually it could be said it's scaremongering..
To break it down
At the base level, a CDS is an insurance contract between two parties. It's simply an agreement, typically between two banks or a bank and an insurer or a hedge fund or some other financial player. We could even enter into a CDS - to simplify as much as possible it could look like this (we should print it on letter head to make it legal ;)) -
I [Blackhalo - the seller of protection] agree to pay [ozmrsparkle - the buyer of protection] an amount of [x million dollars (the notional)] if [Some company - say GE as an example] [fails to pay interest] in the next [x years/months/days]. For agreeing to this, [ozmrsparkle] will pay [blackhalo] a fee of [x%] of the notional each [x time period] until the contract expires.
Signed, Blackhalo Signed, ozmrsparkle
That's it - if we signed that we would have entered into a CDS - it's really no more complicated than that - and as it is just a contract between two consenting adults we could negotiate any of the square brackets to be anything we want - in fact instead of "fails to pay interest", we could negotiate that the pay-out occurs if your house burns down - and then you would have the exact same contract you probably already have with your insurance company. So they are not that complicated or scary when you break them downâ¦
So what does this mean in relation to your post -
Firstly the notional outstanding is fairly irrelevant (your "50 TRILLION") for a number of reasons
1. I can perform some magic and enter into the exact opposite of the CDS above with say cowboyneal (ie I could be the seller of protection, rather than the buyer) - by doing this I will have passed the risk and expenses on to cowboyneal so my net risk (ignoring counterparty risk) is zero ie Your risk is still the same. The amount of risk in the market is exactly the same, but now we have two contracts so the notional value is 2 x million. This actually happens all the time in the CDS market - banks enter into the opposite trade to exit existing trades hence the notional becomes meaningless pretty quickly - it makes no representation of the amount of risk/potential losses or anything useful.
2. You may have noticed that it is a zero sum game - there are actually only two parties involved, so if you win, I lose and vice versa - so this is not something that needs to be repaid per se - they can't really go to zero value (someone will win!).
Now thatâ(TM)s not to say that there are not serious, serious problems including with CDS (and even some complications not highlighted in my simplified eample above - like counterparty risk - a huge issue as is mark to market accounting) - but the second half of your post is very inaccurate. Personally I'm expecting double-digit unemployment in the next two yearsâ¦
CDO's are different again...
BTW - Yes I am one of the asshole bankers who occasionally trades CDS (although I work in an area that tries to help companies raise appropriate funding rather than punt things they shouldn't)