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Comment Re:Sound of pigeons flying. (Score 1) 100

I didn't mean to imply you didn't, sorry :(
As for news, I guess that depends on what you define as news. It's not 'people' news obviously, but some news is just about learning a bit about the natural world around you, more of gaining knowledge for the sake of knowledge. I understand if you don't think it is appropriate for slashdot though, i don't really know what is appropriate here myself (i'm new, someone just emailed me that it was being discussed here) but i didn't actually post it here. You are welcome to complain to the person who posted it though. I am not really keen on forcing people to read about it if they don't want to, it's just something we were interested in that we wanted to share with other interested people. I am completely okay about the fact that some people will not find it of any import.

Comment Re:Natural alarm. (Score 2, Informative) 100

This is interesting! There is a lot of evidence that different bird species can recognize the alarm noises/actions of other bird species (with similar predators), and some stuff on monkeys recognizing bird alarms as well. I haven't heard of horses spooking to spooking bird flocks before. I wonder if the horse is spooking to the louder sound of a spooked flock, or if it understands that the birds have seen a threat. I guess it would depend what the birds were most often spooking from, if the birds usually spook to common predators such as snakes, i can see that it could evolve that the horse is utilizing the vigilance of the birds. However, if the most frequent predators were cats, bird of prey etc. the horse would have no need to spook and is more likely responding to being startled by the birds themselves.

Comment Re:Sound of pigeons flying. (Score 1) 100

Indeed. The theory was all based in common sense. But so is much science. We are not claiming it is 'new' information per se, we are just providing evidence that a long held assumption was correct. Just because a difference in sound exists does not then prove that the birds actually use it in communication, this study did. We are not claiming to be geniuses for 'figuring it out' and know that lots of other people would have come to the same idea independently, we just wanted to test it. I think there is merit in testing theories through experimental measures, rather then saying 'well that's obvious, so lets not bother researching it'. Sure it's not rocket science, but the study of how animal's behave and communicate can still be interesting, even if the research doesn't really change the world.

Apologies if i just committed any further grammar crimes in that post :(

Comment Re:Natural alarm. (Score 1) 100

Ah. Sorry :( Fair point.
*hangs head in shame*
*goes to sit in the naughty corner wearing the 'illiterate dumbo' hat in order to have time to think about what she has done*.
*repents*

On the plus side, having been suitably chastised, I promise I will use the word 'regardless' from now on :D Please be patient, I am new to the whole 'being a researcher' thing (this work was my honour's project) and still finding my feet. I am guessing using too many emoticons is going to be frowned upon too, so apologies in advance for that.

Comment Re:Mourning Doves (Score 2, Informative) 100

Yeah, i think its actually quite widespread. The mourning dove paper didn't manage to get them to flee, but i think that is because i think they amplitude matched alarm and non-alarm volumes. My birds did not flee either when the amplitude of the alarms was not natural, they were still more vigilant though. I think if they redid their work taking into account the volume aspect they would have got the exact same result.

Comment Re:Natural alarm. (Score 5, Informative) 100

Mae here. Actually, we DID do exactly that to control for the possibility that they were simply responding to the louder noise. During playbacks we also played a series of neutral natural sounds (rosella bell calls) that we matched in amplitude to the volume of the alarmed whistle, the birds paid absolutely no attention to them. We also played whistles recorded under non-alarmed conditions at 'alarmed' volume, again the birds did not respond. They only responded to whistles recorded under alarmed conditions, played back at alarmed volume (and once or twice to whistles recorded under alarmed conditions but softened to the volume of non-alarmed whistles). Give us some credit, a lot of time and thought is put into experimental design. In answer to the previous note, indeed the 'alarm' is linked with 'getting out of dodge'. As such, we can not distinguish yet if the whistle is an intentional 'signal' or simply a 'cue', we state this in our paper. Possibly the sound is intended for another purpose (mate choice? species recognition?) and the fact that it also indicates alarm is a side effect. Irregardless of intended function from the perspective of the 'signaller', it still produces a different sound in alarmed flight and co-specific birds are still using it as an indication to flee, and benefiting from doing so. Another note, It is different from the wing noises of other birds in that the upbeat and downbeat produce very different tones resulting in a 'pulsed' sound during flapping. In other birds you just hear an indistinct 'whoosh' during flight, in Crested Pigeons the pulse enables you to hear the faster alarmed flap rate quite clearly. If all birds flew away every time they heard another bird fly (without knowing how alarmed that bird was) they would never get anything done! I expect many species deliver information through noisy take-off's in alarm, its just that the Crested has exaggerated it to communicate the degree of alarm more reliably, thus negating the need for additional vocal alarms. It is actually quite a neat system, it is more inherently honest/stable then standard vocal alarms in that there is a much higher price to 'faking' an alarm, as the bird MUST fly away, and hard, in order to produce an 'alarmed' type whistle. Thus eliminating any benefit it might have received through getting unlimited access to resources. In vocal alarm systems, there are practically no costs to producing false alarms. Additionally, the bird can't 'forget' to produce the sound, the whistle is inherently graded and it also does not take any extra effort to produce. Additionally, since it causes all the other birds to also flee, it offers a benefit to alarm signalling, the escape of the individual who first flies away will be 'hidden' in the flights of others and the huge noise produced by the escaping flock is also likely to double as a way to scare/distract the predator. All at no extra cost, given the bird would be escaping anyway. Anyway, sorry you didn't find it interesting, each to their own. I know i loved working on it, and i think they are fantastic little birds, lots of character :) p.s. Sorry for the super long post. Ooops! Overenthusiasm.

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