NeMon'ess's Journal: Renaming "pro-choice" Limiting sex offenders

Two separate topics, they're just in the same headline.

Gov. Schwarzenegger is trying to make sex offenders an issue he can get public support from. Jason Tilley wrote a letter to the editor with an interesting note about it's effects.

If you don't want to read it, the point is that limiting sex offender from living within 2000 feet of a school or park would force most of them to move out to the suburbs and rural counties. Places that tend to vote Republican. So if the voters out there are okay with this plan...

Of more national significance is the power and connotations of words and phrases with respect to pro-choice. Perhaps a new phrase is needed to convey the importance of the issue. Additionally, just as pro-choice has been labeled pro-death by the other side while not fighting back, perhaps it is time to label them beyond being anti-abortion. Something like "advocates of forced birth."

You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[Marxist Hacker 42]

If you don't want to read it, the point is that limiting sex offender from living within 2000 feet of a school or park would force most of them to move out to the suburbs and rural counties. Places that tend to vote Republican. So if the voters out there are okay with this plan...

As long as they aren't within walking distance of my doorstep (or rather my brother's doorstep, since I now live in the city) it ain't a problem. My brother only has two neighbors within walking distance- and one of them is my p

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[elmegil]

Because you know, rapists (who are sex offenders too) never use cars to get places and commit their crimes. ??

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[Marxist Hacker 42]

And becoming a hermit is much easier in a rural area than in an urban one. It all fits together. And you know, it's not a half bad idea. Kind of like the standard Benedictine punishment for Mt. Angel, OR priests accused of sex abuse- forced vow of silence, locked away in a monk's cell 24 hours a day.

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[pudge]

So ... you think it is a GOOD idea for violent sex predators to live near schools?

I do live -- and for most of my life, have lived -- in rural areas, and I'm in favor of keeping them quite far away from schools. Yes, that means it is more likely they will live near me. It also means they will be more likely to stick out, since we are familiar with most faces in the area, and we can also go online to check out all the convicted offenders who live in the area.

Short anecdote: a friend of mine lives in a simi

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[NeMon'ess]

I fail to see how much real difference will be made by keeping sex offenders 2000 feet away instead of 1000 feet. Judging by how kids walk home from school where I live, some streets are more traveled than others. The kids don't fan out away from school in an even dispersion, so 1000 or 2000 feet away some kids are still walking on the same street.

Personally I think forced chemical or surgical castration should be a part of the sentence for some of the offenders. I don't think castration is appropriate f

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[pudge]

I fail to see how much real difference will be made by keeping sex offenders 2000 feet away instead of 1000 feet.

I don't care. That's up to the voters. If only 1000, why not 500? Why not 0? If 2000, why not 10,000? Whatever. :-)

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[pudge]

Taking exception with the impractical nature of unrealistic plans

Would that you had done that. In fact, it is practical and realistic, as it works every day in many places.

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[the_mad_poster]

Pudge, if you're not going to cite any evidence for your claims, don't make them. Frankly, I'm tired of listening to you crackpot right-wingers blubber like this.

There's a reason you get the impression that people on "the left" look at you like you're stupid. Even if you aren't, you act and speak like you are. If you don't want to have derision heaped on you every time you open your mouth, don't make stupid statements like the one above every time you open your mouth.

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[pudge]

if you're not going to cite any evidence for your claims

Cite evidence for the claim that in various places in this country, it is illegal for convicted sex offenders to live within a certain distance, up to and including 2000, from public schools?

You really think this is not established fact, such that it needs citations?

Are you really that ignorant of the topic at hand?

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[the_mad_poster]

This is much like talking to a small child, but less intellectually stimulating and more frustrating.

YOUR CLAIM WAS:

In fact, it is practical and realistic, as it works every day in many places.

Now you are being asked to defend the claim that it works every day in "many places". But maybe before you spend more time embarrassing yourself with your inability to follow a single discussion thread, you should try spending some more time testing your development code prior to making it live.

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[pudge]

Now you are being asked to defend the claim that it works every day in "many places".

Yes, and then I responded that if you don't know that it works every day in many places, you are woefully uninformed about this debate. Try the fact that it is well-functioning state law all across Alabama, for example. And soon will again be active law in Iowa (it was passed and survived court challenges, but now is being appealed to the Supreme Court). There are many other states and locales in the U.S. that have 1000-

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[the_mad_poster]

Conservative geographical areas have an astronmically higher rate of what pyschologically normal people would consider unheatlhy sexual activity than liberal areas do. No, I won't provide evidence, if you didn't already know that you're just woefully uninformed.

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[pudge]

Conservative geographical areas have an astronmically higher rate of what pyschologically normal people would consider unheatlhy sexual activity than liberal areas do.

Wait, are you saying liberals think raping children is OK? Because seriously, that's what it seems like.

Re:You've apparently never lived in a rural area.

[Marxist Hacker 42]

No- because there's no chance of the guy walking up and befriending my child because my child will know not to trust the neighbors ALREADY (I never did growing up- some of my neighbors if you trespassed on their land at night would shoot at you).

Different names, time to brainstorm.

[Brainboy]

You could call them:

Pro Hangers
The idea is, that abortions won't stop if its illegal, woman will just be forced to do it illegaly and with unsafe methods.

Pro Unwanted Children
Aborted babies, most of which would probably have been unwanted and/or poorly cared for.

Anti Woman's Freedom
Basically saying anti choice.

Anti Woman's Health
Sometimes, a woman needs to abort a baby because of medical reasons.

Pro Crime
Unwanted children grow up to be criminals.

That's all I got for now.

Re:Different names, time to brainstorm.

[NeMon'ess]

It's certainly good to brainstorm. I think pro unwanted children would be good except then I consider it from what the article says. What if it gives the subtle idea that these women don't want children in general.

I think anti women's health, is the best. Using the article's suggestion of anti women's reproductive rights just doesn't flow easily enough.

Re:Different names, time to brainstorm.

[thing12]

Along those lines...

Pro Dumpster
Can't have an abortion? Just have your baby in an alley and toss it into the trash!

Pro Ward of the State
Can't stomach leaving your newborn to die under a pizza box? Drop him off at the nearest hospital where he'll be shuffled into the foster care system, siphoning money from the public until he turn's 18. Then he'll quickly fall under Pro Crime, and shortly thereafter by Pro Prison!


I'm not a big fan of abortion - I think that it is unneccesary, with very few exce