This whole issue is a hot potato. I've know Jeff forever and can personally vouch that he's done more for the hacking subculture than anyone I've ever known. Over the years he's taken many hits for 'hackers', 'phreakers', and 'losers' than any of you will ever be privy to know. DefCon has it's issues and Jeff's human and has his faults, but to all you haters who have nothing better to do than mindlessly criticize, take your jealousy and focus your energy on polishing your.. skills. To the clueless haters - You wish you had such an opportunity. Unfortunately our subculture has become overrun with so much bullshit linenoise it's easy to understand why things are falling apart in this electronic world. The government doesn't have to take hackers down when such discord exists with the ranks. You fray the fabric of a culture that used to be strong, proud and elite. Your weakness is your hate and ignorance. Congratulations DT, who knows where this will lead to but maybe you'll be lucky enough to make a difference. -K

I remember that incident.