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Comment Clean room is a legal strategy, not a requirement (Score 1) 125

Clean room design is a legal strategy, but it is not a legal requirement. There are other methods that can be used for creating works not considered to being a derivative work.

Also a reminder, words used in law don't have the same meaning in language. The law usually narrows the meaning explicitly, or implicitly via case law.

GNU has used this to their advantage to clone most of the shell runtime utilities, so why shouldn't the same be used to replace GNU licensed code?

Comment Re: Not clean room (Score 1) 47

Plagiarism and copyright violation aren't the same thing, contrary to some people's opinion.

LLMs don't produce a literally work verbatim, they produce extracts verbatim. I have two ex-gf that can quote entire pages from books they've read. (dozens, to hundreds). (it helps to be on the spectrum).

But, the ability to do doesn't mean anything they produce is inherently a violation; it does increase the *risk*.

Comment Re: Not clean room (Score 1) 47

Clear room implementation is *not* required.

The idea of a clean room implementation is to remove the possibility of the resulting code being in violation, however, that's not actually required to avoid being in violation. That just makes it much easier to show good faith.

If you implement a test suite, and then have the AI generate a version that complies with the test suite, it's entirely possible you are not in violation.

Symantec code validation would be prudent, but not necessarily required.

(Replace all variables with generic references and see if the code matches up).

Keep in mind, have a dozen lines of code actually match still doesn't mean those lines are a violation, it just means they could be.

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