So you're telling me that PC hardware manufacturers don't pass on the cost of returns and things in the pricing of their items? The fact of the matter is the cost I paid for any other person returning their Xbox is negligble at best and in fact I paid less than the early adopters.

No, the Xenon is a modified version of the SPEs that the Cell processor also happens to use because they are both PPC processors, but the Xenon is not a Cell processor as they have a different architecture. If the 360 had a Cell processor, than why was Sony touting that the PS3 was better because of it's use of the Cell? That makes absolutely no sense.

No, that's not what I've been arguing at all. I was arguing against the claim that console gaming was more expensive than PC gaming which is what the person I first responded to was trying to claim. I on the other hand was showing that this wasn't the case. It had nothing to do with whether PCs or consoles was superior to one another. That was some bizarre nonsense you interjected.

No, it wasn't. You bringing in Netflix or something else had nothing at all to do with any of my claims which were strictly on the price of console gaming (in this case the price of buying a 360) to the price of PC gaming (the price of buying a PC to run modern games).

I do. All the time on my PC.

Stick with what argument? That consoles are not more expensive than buying a PC to game? I've been sticking with that the whole time and have shown that they aren't more expensive.

Oh yes, what great fun to play on servers where there is rampant cheating and the runners of the server give away all sorts of powerful stuff to themselves and friends.

Good for you. The whole point of bringing it up was to dispel the notion that you can play all PC games allow you to play online for free which is just false.

Doubtful. There may be 1 or 2 but I've played plenty most of the free MMOs you will see listed on a site like MMORPG.com and they are overwhelmingly shit.

Never made the claim so I have no clue what this is a response to.

Did I ever say it was?

Do you think I care that you pretend to be some sort of badass because you try to act nonconformist?

LOL, I love these shifting goalposts every time your claim gets knocked down. BTW this still doesn't help your claim and actually only further confirms what I said. The cheapest cpu/mobo/memory combo for what you stated added on to the price of all the other components still has the total price of 440 dollars. Keep flopping around though, it's hilarious to watch. So what next? I need to price them at some super secret discount club that only you have access to?

That's no price I've paid or will pay. You're just inventing stuff out of thin air now.

So in the meantime I'd just play on my PC and it won't really matter much.

No, there are plenty of old games with poor support if any. Check out the list at PCSX2 and you will see that they don't support even remotely close to all PS2 games and it's one of the better emulators.

It's a bullshit claim. Just going to the supported games list on an emulator site shows this.

Or instead of having to wait years to get partial support, one can just buy a PS3 now and have been playing the games while you wait 5 years to get support for 1/4 of all PS3 games. Still a brilliant plan!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No they don't. The 360 uses a 3 core Xenon PowerPC processor. The Cell processor is different architecture. Way to make yourself look stupid.

So in your opinion it's better. Yet millions of console players (or like me who play both PC and consoles) thoroughly enjoy having their console and it's games. You keep acting as if your own preferences are the preferences of every gamer.

Huh? I don't get why you act like I have no PC. Just because I own a console doesn't mean I've never had a computer. I've been streaming movies from Netflix on my PC since it first started.

That's great, but I also have 5 PCs so this claim that somehow I can never do anything that involves a PC is quite bizarre.

I have and do all the time. I've been doing PC gaming for 20+ years now. Just because I play console games doesn't exclude me from being able to play PC games. Again this makes for bizarre claims on your part.

I already own computers, multiples in fact, and have since some of the earliest PCs came out.

Well unless you want to play an MMO that isn't a Korean POS. The same 35 dollars I pay a year for Live would buy me less than 3 months of playing either WoW, EQ/EQ2, EVE Online, etc.

Funny cause I did that and it doesn't help your case.

2.6ghz AM2 process: $52 9800GTX+ 512MB: $122 2 1 TB HDDs: $162 4 GB RAM: $36. 700 W PSU: $40

That's still a price of $412 all from the lowest prices on all those items at pricewatch. Including a motherboard makes it over 450 dollars. Sorry, but that didn't help your claim.

What relevance does that have when the requirement of joining the group has to do with the score from an IQ test?

You mean the overhead cost of having the thing paid to be shipped back to Microsoft to be fixed? You mean all of 0 dollars? Secondly, I have not had a single issue with my 360 in 3 years nor anyone else I know.

I already factored in the price of Xbox Live into the cost. You really seem to have poor reading comprehension. I'll quote myself:

Xbox Live via subscription cards has will cost you around 35-45 dollars depending on where you buy them. Adding that to the cost of a used 360 with used HD and used controller is barely 320 bucks.

So you never have to wait for things to be repaired or replaced when you have a PC? That's an amusing claim.

In your opinion. Others would disagree.

Yeah and it's going to take huge computing requirements to do so and you are never going to get remotely the same level of support for games that the consoles will provide. You still don't get full compatibility for all PS2 games on PC emulators and those have been out for ages.

Sure for a fraction of all games. There are tons of PS2 games that have little or no compatibility.

So basically you spend more on the PC to emulate the PS3 than to just buy a PS3? Brilliant idea!

Actually not it won't. The hardware of the two systems is drastically different in many cases.

Because most gamers care about that? Oh wait, they don't.

No, that decision said that Congress could pass legislation to require sales tax to be collected, but as the law stood at the time that sales didn't have to be paid unless one had significant presence in the state of the purchaser. Big difference.

So basically you're trying to compare the cost of a system built with reused and secondhand parts to a discussion with someone who was pricing out a brand new 360, brand new 360 hard drive, brand new WiFi accessory and brand new controller with recharger? Yeah those are totally analogous situations. Since they were pricing out everything as brand new to try to make a claim that the Xbox 360 is more expensive than PC gaming then it's only analogous to price out new PC parts. Using secondhand and reused parts as a way to lower the price on the PC while not doing the same by pricing out a used 360 and accessories is disingenuous at best. I suggest you actually read and comprehend the conversation that is going on before you just throw yourself into it with guns blazing.

So if we are going to play the game of secondhand parts I can get a 360 with controller, Hard drive and Wifi all used priced out for less than 250 dollars. Throw in 2 years of Xbox Live and it's still less than your purported system. So basically that makes the original poster's and your point even more moot.

Except you seem to be oblivious to the conversation that was going on. The person I was responding to was comparing the costs of a brand new Xbox and all other components involved were also the retail price of new components. You are talking about secondhand shit and pawnshops which isn't even remotely a comparable situation to the one we were talking about and one in which almost no consumer is going to also do. They are going to either go to a place like Newegg/FRYS, to an OEM like Dell or some local computer dealer who isn't going to get them a PC like you mentioned for only 350 dollars.

Okay, then show me where you got the components and the prices of them. I'm doubting you only paid 350 dollars. Either that or you are intentionally leaving out the prices of things like the case, motherboard, dvd drive, etc to make your claim.

And yet a huge portion of people on Facebook are neither teens nor attention-starved.

Okay. That has what to do with my statement?

Why? Mensa isn't an atheist organization. Being religious in no way means you can't have a high IQ.

They probably don't care since their use of mensa is based on the fact that it's a Latin word which means table (also the root of the spanish word mesa).

And in case you want to see how I did it: AMD Athlon 64 LE-1640 Orleans 2.6GHz: $46 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103239
Rendition by Crucial 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667: $10 ($40 for 4GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148240
HITACHI 0A38016 1TB: $85 ($170 for 2GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145233
ZOTAC ZT-98PES3P-FCP GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB: $130 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1305520548+106792522+1067942261&Configurator=&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=
COOLMAX CTI-700B 700W: $55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010320058+113142557&Configurator=&Subcategory=58&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc= Now that doesn't include case, DVD drive and motherboard but your price is already $441 and at least $500 with a motherboard. I bought a 360 Pro and with my 3 years of Xbox Live and having bought 1 extra controller I've barely spent $500. So any claims that a PC is cheaper than a 360 with Xbox Live is just false.