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Journal FortKnox's Journal: New Plume Downfall? 21

After reading some of the comments this one peaks my interest. He didn't explain himself the way he wanted to, but I got the jist outta it.

If you have 100 subscribers that ALWAYS comment on stories before they reach the main page... what happens?
Nonsubscribers will have to sit under all the subscriber comments, because they will be modded up before the story even hits the frontpage.
What does this mean?
Most non-subscribers will leave, or just become readers and not comment (why comment if you never get 'heard'?).

Second scenario:
Someone gets a subscription, then posts the story as soon as it hits the 'future' queue into his/her own website. So you'll be stealing stories from /. AND giving them to the free community first. Hell, what's stopping me from getting a subscription, and posting the stories in my journal before it hits the main page for regular users??

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New Plume Downfall?

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  • Some folks repost stories they like into their journals so that comments are restricted to their friends. Being on the cusp of this movement they get some comments, but I'm beginning to see people posting things like "Click _here_ for my comments" with a link back to their journal. Whether friend-restricted or no, this will become painful. I could see one person being b_tchslapped to set an example, only to bring every troll out of the woodwork reposting every story into their journals.
  • Things will get bad, Taco will make a dramatic change one evening, telling no one, and people will complain to no avail.

    Any normal person would do some beta-testing and maybe a slow, select rollout (say one story a day for two weeks with the subscriber bonuses enabled to only a subset of the subscribers). Fine-tune, repeat until you get what's best for the community.

    But if the subscriber bias stays for too long I see people going more and more to the zoo or elsewhere. I spend most of my time in the Journals anyway.
  • Re: karma -- Who cares? It astounds me that anyone worries about this. If you're a semi-regular poster for any length of time you should be posting at +2. If you're not, well, it's probably just as well that you're not. (It's like the people who repost articles or whatever with a request to not have it modded up. Look, moderation is to help us choose what to read. It's not about ego.)

    Re: Subscribers getting a jump on everyone else to post -- Well, good. If they're willing to pick up the tab for the site, then bless 'em.
  • spend your $5 bucks and post ALL the stories in your Journal, so the rest of us can save $5. :)
  • Well part of posting the stories would require you to always be available to post stories and know relatively quickly when they came out. I guess it could be a collective effort with a central repository account.
    • That's what bots on crontabs are for ;-)
      • Right, but how easy would it be to post comments that would get modded up?

        One thing you're forgetting, Herr Doktor Marotti, is that only mods who are subscribers (or editors) would be able to see the comments to moderate them before the story gets posted. Combine that with the ban on moderating a story you post in, and I would be very surprised to see many up-mods (many being defined as "more than, say, 20% of comments") among the early posts before the story gets posted.

  • Now a random sampling of 2 or 3 isn't enough to buck the prediction;
    but that being said I've add my comments late to some stories and I've been shocked to find them modded up to 5's.

    Of course, if I'm gonna say something stupid/funny, you bet I FRIST PSOT!

    Infact, there is a joy to checking out a story when the comments are 300 deep- a lot of moderation has already taken place, but not all of it- so you can see what has settled so far, and then pick your way through.
  • One has to ask: "What is the point to being able to post a comment before the slashdot article goes 'live'?"

    I really hope subscribers can only 'pre-post' "editorial" comments (editorial comments like kuro5hin). If that is the case, then what should happen to the editorial comments?:

    1. Delete them once the article goes live.
    2. Hide them by default, but allow people to browse them by clicking a "view editorial comments" link.
    3. Mix the editorial comments within the non-editorial comments, but show the words "editorial comment" next to the subscriber's name.
    4. Just mix the editorial comments within the other comments (so then they look like any non-editorial comment.
    5. Maybe post all the editorial comments with a score of -1 (no karma bonus, etc). This might be the easiest to implement. People could moderate these posts up if they really deserve it. This would take away a lot of the subscriber advantage that many people are worried about.
    Ideally, I would probably prefer a new type of "editorial comment" just like kuro5hin, and be able to filter on those comments, etc. But the simplest solution for slashdot would probably be the last choice I listed above (start editorial comments at -1).


  • You are operating on the assumption that the news links provided on /. are cutting edge.
    I would say that %60 percent of the time I've seen them elswhere and just came here to see the comments.
  • Someone gets a subscription, then posts the story as soon as it hits the 'future' queue into his/her own website. So you'll be stealing stories from /. AND giving them to the free community first.

    Interesting point. With the underlying assumption that the commodity value of slashdot is not the articles that get selected themselves but rather the fact that slashdot selected the specific article as submitted by the user base. It is this "editorial" function (in quotes because I use the term loosely) that differentiates slashdot from other link-list-bloggy sites such as

    If this concept of theft were put into practice, the perpetrator would in fact be stealing slashdot. Should this happen, slashdot would most likely stop the preview plum entirely. The only alternative would be for slashdot to sue the perpetrator for theft of something that slashdot doesn't even own and I doubt that would hold up in court.

  • Piques, not Peaks.
  • I only comment on the main page to piss people off, having a 100 choice highly moderated comments to pick from would be heaven.

    On second thought, I like this new subscription theme. Thanks for opening my eyes :)
  • The reposting scenario assumes that someone has the time to refresh /. every minute and the time to re-post anything as soon as it hits.

    I don't that it is worth the hassle, but someone else may think so.

    On the separate topic of postings to main page articles that reference Journals...

    I see this is a good thing. I would not have found this jounrnal if it wern't for intelligent comments posted by someone that referenced this journal as a place worth reading. I "friend" listed them, then checked out their

For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. -- H. L. Mencken