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Comment Re:Commission (Score 1) 634

No, no no, there was a running gag like that on Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman too. Dody Goodman in her thick southern accent would say things like "But wha would anyone want to be a Hoe-Moe" and pronounce it like that. It was hilarious. Utterly took the piss out of people like Huckster78 or whatever his name is.

Comment This Discussion is Hilarious Proof of Lewis's Law (Score 1) 634

It's just hilarious many commenters have revealed the very bias and bigotry that caused this case in the first place.

And yet, when the subject herself joins the discussion, nobody even bothers to ask her any questions, but rather just carry on in blind sexist and ageist speculation.

It's clear from the complete ignorance of how much programming and systems work her thesis actually required leading them to assume that it's "not relevant" -- from the comments, I honestly doubt anyone's bothered to actually read her thesis or indeed any of her publications.

This is why I hope this case actually goes to trial. Unless people are actually forced to face the facts in a court of law, no facts will be examined, and people will continue to simply believe their own stereotypes.

It's not very surprising that people in this profession do not appear to be terribly interested in facts or evidence, but rather seem to prefer wallowing in their own self-justifying speculation, bigotry and bias. It's the reason the demographic in the profession is so skewed in the first place. And, hence, the cause of action.

If young white men "feel uncomfortable" with people unlike themselves who find bugs in their code, it doesn't exactly help them to start spouting the very stereotypes that they think justifies their discomfort.

When you're in a hole, guys -- oh, here's your shovel. Keep digging. We'll just wait till your down deep enough to bury you.

Comment Re:Does indeed happen. (Score 1) 634

Yah I've seen that too. It's amazing the lengths people will go to to claim a woman's training, education or experience is "not relevant" even when its highly technical, at an advanced level (MS, PhD) and involved Actual Programming the entire way through. They're always trying to characterize 'girls' (at 50? really?) as "new to this" -- but when you see guys that are journalism or linguistics majors who got into programming, it's just evidence of his "genius" that he could pick up programming. WTF?

The worst part is then being 'mansplained' some basic principal or an exasperated 'oh don't you know ANYTHING' by one of these jackasses half your age with no formal scientific or technical training what so ever -- when all you asked for was the URL and password to a database you're supposed to be working on.

Comment Re:Does indeed happen. (Score 1) 634

"So she moves around a lot."

ORLY? Maybe she can spot a bigot like you at 50 paces, tolerates them as long as she has to, finishes a significant project, and with her qualifications, always has another recruiter calling, and always has another job lined up. For more money, more responsibility, more modern technology to work with, better coding standards, and perhaps...just maybe: seemingly less bigoted Neanderthals like yourself to work with. Unlikely, but it's worth a shot, right?

Have you ever considered the possibility that she may have run across so many people like you in her career that she just doesn't give a damn about "good social fit" any more -- knows that people like you are everywhere -- and just gets on with the job? It's called "Professionalism."

She stuck with it for 40 years before finally saying "Basta!" to do something fun and interesting with her time left on earth -- buying a farm to herd and milk sheep, make cheese and yogurt.

Wow! U Jelly, man? Bet you are! I sure am!

And excuse me, "anyone who graduated college in 1982"? Are you trying to prove the ageist corollary to Lewis's Law yet again? Unbelievable. How many different kinds of people were there in your graduating class? Or...were they all the same?

Unbelievable, yet, all too believable. It's why there are lawsuits like this in the first place.

Wait, what's that I hear? You're being paged! "8th Century BC to Mr. FlyHelicopters! 8th Century BC to Mr. FlyHelicopters!" The Neolithic is calling. They want their mentality back.

Comment Re: Does indeed happen. (Score 1) 634

It's just baffling that anyone would denigrate someone for being a "social justice warrior" much less claim that this is somehow a bar to employability.

After all, where would you draw the line? Does someone who volunteers at a homeless shelter or donates to a food bank get labelled an "SJW"? How about attending a #BlackLivesMatter protest, as a person of color? What about an Hispanic worker who has voiced support for the Coalition of Immokalee Workers? Would he or she be a "social justice warrior, that would be plenty of reason not to hire"?

How about a woman who volunteers for a rape crisis hotline, or works weekends at a battered women's shelter? It would be pretty disturbing if trying to help battered women were considered a bar to employment, after the /. community expressed such bathetic sympathy for Hans Reiser after he murdered his wife not to mention some of the things said in response to the whole #gamergate controversy.

If the /. community tolerates outright femicide while denigrating any feminist as "social justice warrior, that would be plenty of reason not to hire" and this is at all a reflection of the attitudes of the software development community at large, it's then no wonder that there are so few senior women software developers -- and that the few who survive a few decades are dismissed as "old women" and "ugly" and judged solely on how "good a social fit" they are rather than the quality of their code.

I don't doubt Cheryl's story for a minute -- though I personally think it's more a combination of both unlawful gender discrimination and age discrimination.

It seems to me that anyone who challenges white young male supremacy could be considered "social justice warrior, that is plenty reason not to hire", by their very existence as a non-white non-young non-male person who happens to be more qualified than most of the young white men in the room.

Oh it's fine with yall if these "others" don't get "uppity" and "know their place", from what I gather here, and she'd better be "pretty" and not "old".

Anyway, there's plenty of proof of Lewis's Law to go around here.

So long, and thanks for all the useful information.

Comment Re:Does indeed happen. (Score 1) 634

Wow. Hans Reiser had such an "obnoxious personality" that he murdered his wife , the mother of his children, and then tried to get out of supporting them out of his rather sizable fortune.

And yet, the /. community was soooo supportive of him when he was first arrested http://slashdot.org/story/06/10/11/0142216/hans-reiser-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder

Double standards much?

Comment Re:Does indeed happen. (Score 1) 634

Actually, teaching children to get along with each other is an important part of socialization. It usually happens in Kindergarten. If some group of children who all look alike and are led by an incalcitrant bully "don't like Billy" and continue to taunt and isolate him, then the skilled Kindergarten teacher will find a way of isolating the bully.

Some techniques include monitoring the bully's behavior, isolating the bully by catching him out in some infraction and sending him home for a few days, discussing the bully's behavior with his parents, talking to the other kids who "don't like Billy" about how they might feel if they were Billy, etc. It's a matter of helping the children develop a sense of empathy, rather than just playing "follow the leader" when the leader is causing harm.

The fact that you think that bullies ought to be allowed to get away with their abuse and the fact that you literally have no idea how bullying and ganging up on a target can be curbed in a classroom setting is extremely revealing.

No wonder you think that excluded groups "SHOULD" continue to be excluded in the supposedly grown-up world of work.

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