..."I'll just buy a Samsung which are well priced and specced and play Ogg."
Indeed! I've had my Samsung YP-U2R (catchy huh?) a couple of years now and it still looks the business! I rip my CD's onto my PC as Ogg files because they really do sound better than MP3 (better bass I think), but not many MP3 players will play Ogg. I think this is ultimately, why the Ogg format isn't catching on. Surely the open-source Ogg codecs are free for MP3 player manufactures to incorporate into their products, so why don't they? It's not going to cost them anything is it?