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Comment Re:What about snow? (Score 1) 186

There could be various levels of "fake" driving, from the toddler scenario I mentioned all the way up to full, but monitored control. The latter being comparable to a driving instructor who is giving corrective feedback and having the ability to take emergency corrective action. People wouldn't be licensed to drive until they passed so many hours of relatively error free driving. The huge advantage of this method is that it can teach proper and consistent driving, rather than pass on incorrect and dangerous information from driver to driver (e.g. merge as soon as possible when you see a lane closing sign).

But honestly, I don't think that will be necessary because self-driving as anything but sport will simply go away. The rare situations you describe are handled poorly (or not at all) by most human drivers. If you get stuck in the mud or run into an impossibly complex construction zone, you (or your car) will call a professional to get you out (or it will be done by remote control thousands of miles away).

Comment Re:self-driving or assisted driving ? (Score 1) 186

A fleet of self-driving cars will also recognize or remember the icy spots, transitions or generally unsafe stretches of road. It will also react to the other cars on the road far better, e.g. noticing that other cars ahead of it took that icy turn very slowly (or didn't and wiped out).

Not just that, but a well trained self-driving car will react much faster and be able to save itself, or at least minimize damage, far better than a good human driver, let alone the average schmuck driving in the snow.

Comment Re: Yes, definitely assholes (Score 1) 440

"This is not good," Musk said on an earnings call this week

Meaning that people are intentionally abusing the system. Not that the system is inherently unsafe or that we are marketing it wrongly. The headline is 'People doing ‘crazy things’ with Tesla’s autopilot are spoiling it for everybody'. The people who are eventually ruining it are/is you! A few idiots killing themselves will cause other idiots like yourself to panic and pull a useful technology that saves lives.

That's not some clueless idiot; that's a paid test driver who was trained to do his job. Human nature.

A person who took a risk, like millions of people every day. What could you possibly think this proves other than that cars should be banned outright until there are no more traffic fatalities? Please tell me you have never changed a radio station, reached in the backseat for a water bottle or some other action that momentarily took your full attention off the road. Then I can completely disregard everything you say, as opposed to thinking you are just a well meaning alarmist with no practical math skills.

I'd pull the feature until it can drive itself.

So you would pull a feature that saves lives, that causes fewer crashes, less property damage because ...? Demonstrate that the feature will cause more deaths by being enabled than if it were disabled. Then you would have a serious point. Until then it is just fear mongering, luddite bullshit.

Comment Re:Fleet Learning could lead to... (Score 1) 440

Reassuring point #1: even after learning the road it will (almost) never do something spectacularly stupid if conditions are now different.

Reassuring point #2: autonomous cars can quickly communicate to others changes in the environment (for now this is very slow, but it will get steadily faster)

Reassuring point #3: when there is a critical mass of autonomous cars such changes will either a) be sent out as alerts by those construction workers, or b) marked in a new clear way that is easily identifiable to autonomous cars (could be as simple as a single sign "ALERT!" that autonomous cars know to throw out their optimized routes and be extra cautious)

Reassuring point #4: humans are spectacularly bad at this and even the occasional computer failure will be much better than the status quo. A human who has driven down the same road every day for the last year is often going to not notice a new stop sign. Further, every other human will make that same mistake as their communication system is far slower.

Comment Re: Yes, definitely assholes (Score 1) 440

Okay, I read another of the articles that you think proves your point. You quote the summary:

The feature itself has gained a lot of fame in the recent months thanks to its obvious novelty value and the fact that it is the first hands-off, self-driving technology on the market today.

Except the actual article goes into much more detail to explain what that means:

The second milestone is Semi-Autonomous driving, something only Tesla can claim at the moment, and consists of the car driving itself (hands-off the steering wheel) with the driver being a necessary requirement for regular monitoring. In this case, the car will handover control to the human in various scenarios. The element of the human driver is assumed to be an active participant in the process – albeit one which doesn’t interfere for some (if not most) of the time. Basically, if you crash the car while on Autopilot – you are responsible.

It is absolutely clear in that article that the autopilot works as Tesla officially claims and that any reasonable person would expect. Any person who bought a Tesla thinking it would let them take a nap while driving from SF to LA is either insane or a pathological liar. There are certainly thousands of people who have only vague ideas and think Teslas are self-driving, these people don't own them and are not serious customers. Most people are superficial idiots, what are you going to do?

You are holding Tesla responsible for every tweet that could possibly be misinterpreted. It's a f*king tweet! It has to be short and almost always is a bastardized executive summary. That is like holding VW responsible for tweets that say "the new Porsche has 500 horsepower and can go 195". Good lord man, why are they telling people to go 195 mph on a public highway!

Have you test-driven a Tesla? Do it, test the auto pilot and ask your "advisor" about it. I guarantee he will not mislead you into thinking you are getting a self-driving car. At best you can manipulate him into saying "I guess you could play Jenga while going down the highway, but we would not recommend that and it would be a seriously dumb thing to do."

Comment Re: Yes, definitely assholes (Score 1) 440

If you read "between" the lines and take statements out of context you can make their press conform to any preconceived notion that you want to. Which is exactly what you did. The first example I looked at, the gizmodo reference shows to what great lengths you'll go to to exaggerate your point. The full quote from Musk is:

The probability of having an accident is 50% lower if you have Autopilot on. Even with our first version. So we can see basically what’s the average number of kilometers to an accident – accident defined by airbag deployment. Even with this early version, it’s almost twice as good as a person.

It is absolutely clear that he is talking about autopilot on with a reasonable driver behind the wheel. He is definitely not talking about how well the system works if the driver is asleep or non-existant.

The author of this article you seem to be so inflamed about goes on to mention all the reasonable caveats that Tesla (or I) would make. No reasonable person would read that article and assume that Musk or the author thought you could drive completely hands off. Did you even read the whole article or did you just google for random one sentence quotes that could be twisted to support your argument.

Every Tesla employee and on every test drive they have stressed that it is NOT hands free, set it and forget it, driving. I don't know what your grievance is against Tesla, but you are completely wrong.

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