Bill Dog's Journal: nutty right-wingers

It's time for some fair and balance in my journal. I rail on Left-wingers, so here's some for the Right.

Saw a report that some "1st VP" in the NRA (how many VP's do they have?) suggested that when looking at improving safety (from gun violence) in the schools, everything should be on the table, including looking at whether teachers should have the option of being armed.

As a mostly Right-winger myself, and pro- gun rights in general, several times I've thought of joining the NRA, at times when the 2nd Amendment has come under attack by Democrats/Leftists. I don't own a gun, but I might want to some day. And even if never do, I want to see this right preserved for others.

But if I were a member right now, I would consider quitting. Single cause based organizations have to be esp. cautious to not let themselves go too far, given that the most zealous and extreme folk tend to/want to rise to the top. Left-wing organizations are famous for succumbing to this. If all the leaders of the NRA/the NRA as an organization adopts this position, I'll be the first to call them crazies. This is one case where I actually do think the introduction of a firearm into the situation would actually make the situation more dangerous. I guess mostly because juveniles are involved, and they greatly outnumber the adult present. Maybe instead school security officials should have access to guns, if they don't already, not on their persons as they routinely walk the halls, but in a locked safe, ready to cut shorter a crazy kid's day than it would be if they had to stand by until the police arrived.

A Big Huh?

[allpolitics]

I guess this just gets a big 'huh' from me?

This is one case where I actually do think the introduction of a firearm into the situation would actually make the situation more dangerous. I guess mostly because juveniles are involved, and they greatly outnumber the adult present. Maybe instead school security officials should have access to guns, if they don't already, not on their persons as they routinely walk the halls, but in a locked safe, ready to cut shorter a crazy kid's day than it would be if they

Re:A Big Huh?

[Bill Dog]

On your first question: "because juveniles are involved, and they greatly outnumber the adult present."

On your second question: because they'll be "ready to cut shorter a crazy kid's day than it would be if they had to stand by until the police arrived."

If you actually have any questions that aren't already answered in my original comment, just let me know! (And no questions like "why don't you go fuck yourself?" please ;-)

Re:A Big Huh?

[allpolitics]

On your first question: "because juveniles are involved, and they greatly outnumber the adult present."

No, you didn't answer either of my questions. Maybe I'm not clear. How does juveniles around make a gun in a holster of an adult more dangerous?

I can't think of any reason that a gun would get more dangerous simply based on the number of juveniles involved. A gun either is, or isn't dangerous.

On your second question: because they'll be "ready to cut shorter a crazy kid's day than it would be if t

Re:A Big Huh?

[Bill Dog]

How does juveniles around make a gun in a holster of an adult more dangerous?

Holy Toledo, Batman! Okay, I'll try to spell it out for you. First, recall in your first reply asking what situation I was referring to. A gun is not a situation, so we know that I was not saying a gun could somehow get more dangerous, but that a situation could. Now that we've gotten beyond that added mixup, back to the original mixup. By "because juveniles are involved, and they greatly outnumber the adult present", I thought I

Re:A Big Huh?

[allpolitics]

Note that I realize a delayed response by school security doesn't prevent an incident. I'm just saying a delayed response is better than a super-delayed response (waiting for the police to arrive). Note that despite being highly-publicized, school shootings still are rare. If they were routine, then I'd say risky but preventative steps ought to be taken. But since they aren't, no sense in making schools which are normally incident free more dangerous. That would be an over-reaction.

Gotcha, you weren't arg

Re:A Big Huh?

[Bill Dog]

Well, just to be clear, I wasn't arguing for more guns in schools as a blanket statement, just that if school security personnel don't already have guns available to them, they should be made available, just in case some kid decides to shoot up the place some day. Statistically it will never happen at any given school, but they're not unheard of, and unfortunately there's the copycat effect. And there's no way some little psycho should have time to reload. Then again, with beefed-up security at all schools,

Re:A Big Huh?

[allpolitics]

You've got to be kidding. First of all, no student is going to announce "I'm coming to take your gun!" I don't know what kind of schools you went to, but when I was in school, the teacher didn't hide as if behind bullet-proof glass or a safety cage up at the front of the room and look with suspicion on anyone who ever approached. Nor did my teachers not walk the aisles between desks in the room, esp. during tests. If you can't see that it would be totally easy for a group of kids to lift the weapon off thei

Re:A Big Huh?

[Bill Dog]

Ok, let's lock the gun in the desk then.

Or maybe gun safes installed in the walls or something (with combo locks instead of key locks, as otherwise we'd just be substituting keys for guns in the issue of kids tricking/surprising/overpowering a teacher and taking it). Note that like commercial airline pilots, not all of them would want access to firearms nor would consequently be very likely to step up to the bar and utilize one if the need ever arose, so while I think gun safes in classrooms is probably a