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Comment Re:Ridiculous (Score 1) 633

An obvious historical example is the Moors, Al-Andalus.

I'm more worried about Christian theocracy at this point. I'd be worried about the dismantling of science. At least Muslim schools teach evolutionary biology...

Actually there's a lot of other things I'm far more worried about. I'm more worried about dogmatic political ideologies taking over as they do every bit as much harm as theocracy. Muslims are barely a minority, and like I said, l do live integrated with them and for the most part I don't see what the big deal is aside from lots of what if's and bogeymen.

Last I checked there's been a fair amount of protests throughout Muslim nations in the media over the past while.. they're hardly all brain dead dangerous followers... but go ahead, believe they are all the same, believe in your invented bogeyman. You do realize that not too long ago Muslims were actually romanticized, not feared?

Comment Re:Ridiculous (Score 1) 633

Montreal is not the fourth Century in the East, it is the 21st century in the West. That's a terrible analogy--by that logic I could prove anything I wanted, just draw a specious analogy with vastly alien historical situations to prove anything evil. After all, history is violent and nobody is innocent if you go back far enough and make ridiculous comparisons. What you are doing is akin to religious people who try to claim Atheism is evil by citing the massive amount of deaths in China. It's irrelevant.

You have to look at the reality that exists in the now. We've far, far more pressing social issues here than oh so scary Muslim families who are going to their mosques and working their day jobs.

Comment Re:Ridiculous (Score 1) 633

Look, there are real problems and challenges with immigration but when you oversimplify things into grandiose claims like these, you make the real problems worse. I live in the heart of multiculturalist Canada (in the same town this article took place in). We do occasionally have issues with small pockets of Muslim immigrants who want to enforce their religion, but this is a rarity. The vast majority of Muslims you meet in this town are polite and mind their own business. I sit next to them everyday on the metro and I assure you, they are the opposite of scary. Media hype and the availability heuristic..we should be old enough to see past these things by now.

Comment Re:I've given up (Score 1) 605

It is in short supply these days, in all camps. Actually, to be fair, I frequently run into proponents of Climate Change who've as much understanding of scientific methodology as the Creationist posing for a photo next to the exhibit of the saddled triceratops. Maybe they 'believe' it because they saw it in a picture with text on facebook. Who knows. It doesn't help, either way.

Comment And where do they 'camp out' climate change again? (Score 4, Interesting) 605

'In the 1970s scientists were predicting an ice age, now it's global warming.'

There's plenty of deniers who claim warming isn't happening, who claim its a conspiracy to raise taxes, who cite a Time magazine article from the early 1970s (when global warming actually still was more or less a consensus) as evidence of some discrepancy in the sciences, because apparently 40 years of scientific advances can be refuted by misquoting what scientists 'believed' in the past.

Deniers won't be able to find 'safe places' to camp out, it's not like one can just find a bunker and ride it out for a couple of years. Even if some now accept that warming is taking place, the science is still being denied. The net effect, doing nothing, is the same. The difference amounts to splitting hairs.

Although it's true there are parts of the world that won't be hit as hard as others, and those of us who live there won't have to worry about camping out.

Comment Wish people would RTFA (Score 1) 183

This article is not claiming to know anything about consonance, if anything it's opening up the field to more questions.

It's comparing musical and amusical listeners to debunk the notion that constructive/destructive interference patterns (beats) are how we neurologically perceive consonance and dissonance. Nothing more. It's making no value judgements as to what consonance or dissonance is. If anything it goes out of its way to demonstrate how complex it is to make judgements regarding that. As others have pointed out here, 'consonance' varies substantially from culture to culture and between time periods.

Comment Re:so Plato was right, then (Score 1) 183

I'd mod this up if I could. It's not what you're doing, it's how you're doing it. Schoenberg is easy to pick on but something like Anton Webern is remarkably expressive and has wider appeal. I just saw some footage of a concert collaboration between Aphex Twin and Penderecki, it was remarkably high budget, very, very atonal, and it looks like the audience knew what they were going to see.

Comment Re:News! people don't like music they don't like.. (Score 1) 183

Anyone going to a zombie horror flick will hear dissonant music piped at them for an hour and a half at a time.

Also, true story. Go check out raves and you'll find it is not unusual to hear a lot of wildly dissonant synth pads and glissandos while people are jumping up and down and having a good time.

Comment Western music left Pythagoras behind circa Bach.. (Score 1) 183

Actually we had to abandon Pythagoras hundreds of years ago, because 'pure' consonance sounds bizarre to our modern ears:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_temperament

Modern chords+chromaticism that we take for granted did not exist before we had the mathematics and engineering to develop temperament, which, if you've ever tuned a piano before, you know introduces specific patterns of beats between intervals and offsets the pure ratios to allow for key changes, etc etc.

Off topic, likewise foreign scales and tuning sound very bizarre to western ears. (I remember the first time I heard zazen flute music, deliberately detuning two flutes to produce complex patterns of beats, that clearly environment and culture has a role in what sounds good and what sounds bad)

Study is interesting but inconclusive, too easy to confuse correlation/causation, or draw conclusions that make the fallacy of ecology.

Comment Re:And exactly why is this a bad thing? (Score 1) 537

A three year old being able to figure out basic GUI operations conversely does not equate to an OS being overly simplified. GUI use is user end stuff. I take it there isn't a lot of sysadmins on slashdot today.. Under the hood, Windows 8 is anything but simplified. I take it there isn't a lot of tech support staff, either.. the kind who has to help users navigate unintuitive interfaces..

Comment Re:Hitler used Religion. Argument fail. (Score 1) 678

I've read the Bible so I remember those things, and I agree with the quote "I like your Christ, I don't like your Christians." Problem is, it's hard for others to tell what a Christian is or isn't, when many who've loudly professed Christianity didn't put up again their swords back into their places.

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