Since Heath's book predates reddit itself by four years, that's not possible.

Heath actually had no opinion on cars, he was writing about fair distribution of costs, and how many costs are "levelized" by taxation; how many could not be directed to a user-pay system.

Those who advocate that buses not run at a loss, that bus users pay for every cent of the costs of running the bus system, tend to come up with all manner of excuses for not having to user-pay on roads.

Pedestrians used to have to pay for grading gravel sufficient for horses to walk upon. Pedestrians, who themselves may never get in a car, are now tasked with paying for $80M freeway interchanges, so that car drivers can, very literally, free-ride.

I mention Heath's proposal here at Slashdot about once every three years. It is always attacked for whether it is practicable, whether my motives are impure, whether it will incentivize bad behaviour. The admission that the current system is socialist, with the cost of car operation being socialized onto those who don't use the service, exactly like taxpayers subsidizing a bus that they never take, is rare.

Canadian author Joe Heath pointed out something in a 2001-ish book, "The Efficient Society", that by now is technologically trivial, would definitely work:

* Every car should be tracked for its whole time on public infrastructure
* Records not available to police without warrant
* You get billed, based on road cost, and popularity (varies time time of day) for all road use.
* Typical daily bill would be a few cents for a few blocks of your local street, many cents for your trip on the collector road to the highway;
A few bucks for 20 minutes on the highway (double at rush hour)
A buck (congestion charge) for your few blocks of downtown streets to the office.
* The sum total of all charges provides enough for all maintenance, repair, and repaving of the roads being charged for.
* Super-popular roads are therefore cheaper to drive on.

Everybody would be charged fairly then. No more grannies with no car paying for roads they don't use. (The delivery drives they do use, have to add costs to delivery, of course).

THEN we can talk about charging for using the bus. Until then, drivers are getting such a great free deal on the rest of us that they can shut up.

https://www.aeso.ca/aeso/under...

7% coal overall; less than 7% when demand spikes. You're two years behind. They closed three more plants. The 96% for Dec 22 came from AESO, on TV news, that night.

One commenter there pointed out you just have to go back over their announcements:

  In 2017 Toyota announced a Solid State Battery would be on sale in 2020
  In 2020 they said it would be here for 2022
  2023 they have same announcement again, this time for 2025.

This is needed for expansion in Ontario, which isn't all hydro, unlike so much of Canada. Ontario is still 80% non-carbon (50% nuke, 25% hydro, some wind and solar).

Where Canada really needs it, are the prairie provinces, that always scorned it because they were coal and gas producers. Manitoba is 97% hydro, but Alberta and Saskatchewan, got nothin'. Last Dec 22, Alberta was -40F, wind was dead, longest night of the year. 96% gas. Alberta and Saskatchewan can't lose the gas with batteries alone. They need about 5GW of nuclear apiece, some better ties east and west, and Canada could be pure green power.

But, no, it's not even being discussed.

Thank-you for the correction.

Indeed, the loss of horses was de-automation, since they would quickly non-machine-learn routine jobs and largely autopilot after several repetitions. My Mom remembered the milkman's horse stopping at all the right houses. An RCMP utterly lost in an Alberta whiteout snowstorm in 1875, just clung desperately to his horse until he realized that lights from a town were going past, no idea how the horse found it. There's some auto-pilot for you.

You've lost the context, at this point, 50 posts down. The "They" in my original post did not refer to employers, who obviously relate only to employees for their labour.

The "they" were people like the author of TFA, who is Barron's journalist Al Root, who was a Wall St. broker for 17 years.

Wall St. brokers do indeed see the job of all the American economy to be the enrichment of investors. The job of those who labour, rather than invest, is to live on as little as possible that still gives them the strength to show up for work and produce. The job of "the economy" is not to produce good lives for all, but to produce the maximum returns to investment. That's how Al Root sees those who do not invest for a living, but rather perform services and create products.

...output units.

Of course, "output per worker" is constantly receiving a higher and higher multiplier from the technology the worker is using. The entire fear of AI is that the output of programs or paragraphs per worker will rise so much, fewer are *needed* - just as ever-more-massive multipliers on farm labour and factory labour from automation (a tractor is automation, ask a horse) drastically reduced the workers needed there.

And income inequality has come, more than any one direction, than all those gains from improving technologies going to the owners, not the labourers. Like nearly 99% of the productivity improvements we have seen since PCs came out, going all to the top.

And yet, there it is: we are told, every time the production units want to take a break, and smell the roses in some way (the French smell roses for about 5 weeks a year, practically mandatory), we are reminded that all prosperity and competitiveness depend entirely upon the Protestant Work Ethic, and we're letting the country down.

A third of a billion in America, now, so $1.20 per person.

It seems nosy to me for foreigners to go on about an internal Chinese question. It's not like they'll EVER help us resolve it by providing information that we can trust to be true, so it's a waste of time, as well.

I call it entirely internal, because, for the whole world NOT under the thumb of Mr. Xi and his assistant dictators, this is China's fault. It's their pandemic.

Of minor interest is whether it started in Wuhan because Chinese staff and regulators could not run a food market, or because Chinese staff and regulators could not run a level-4 biolab that the French built for them. The operative point is that IT'S ALL CHINA'S FAULT.

The crime was letting it get out of Wuhan. The crime that Xi and his murderous minions committed was to not jump on it earlier, to not warn the whole world immediately, and indeed to keep planes flying right out of Wuhan as the fight got serious - one plane a day direct to Vancouver.

They only had to have an epidemic in Wuhan, could have shut it down there, as Toronto shut down SARS (438 cases, 44 dead). SARS got out to 26 countries, but all were warned, all were able to nail it as Toronto did. But this time, the new "Xi-dominated", extra-fascist China tried to hide it, hoped it would go away, as incompetents not governed by scientific advice tend to do. That makes it all their fault. All Xi's fault, to be precise. The entire global pandemic after the first few weeks in Wuhan is the fault of the Xi regime. Whether the first 0.05% of the pandemic is the fault of a lab or a food-market is utterly uninteresting by comparison.

V2H (household) would be enough, mostly. V2G from every house apparently makes the electricians nervous. V2G from whole corporate and government parking lots full of road-repair vehicles, buses, corporate fleets, where you've got 100 vehicles and can kick out a megawatt for hours, now you're talking, it's worth the safety equipment to input to the grid.

Fascinating. Not my experience. I was never on Twitter, but tried Mastodon because I was skeptical of a journo who said it was hard to use. It wasn't. I've had fun, enjoyed some humour and politics posts.

I watched the Mastodon counter bot, and it was gaining 300,000 users a week and more in the early spring, was down to under 80,000/week until the Reddit fracas broke out, and now it's 450,000 a week of added Mastodon users.

Perhaps for your interests, Mastodon "died", but mine is growing rapidly. I understand that only two million new users per quarter growth rate is not large by Reddit standards, but in absolute terms, Mastodon, at 12.5 million, is now larger than Los Angeles.

Very different.
This is a prediction of peak oil *sales*, not production. It does not attempt to predict mother nature, just the human energy economy, which has 1% as many variables. We can only make so many cars per year, it takes years to build a factory, so 2030 is highly predictable.

First three posts are all "this isn't climate change" and also "stop talking about it".

Guys, you've gone from frustrating and aggravating to eye-rolling to kind-of-funny. Not because the debate has changed - we've been pretty clear all along on our side, though your reasons have shifted (away from solar cycles, after two of them) -- but because you've lost. People are barely listening any more.

At least, the ones who make the real decisions. The private backers of $20B renewables+powerline projects in North Australia, Morocco, Libya are not betting tens of billions of dollars on a fairy tale. They believe. So do all the people who just voted in the three giant climate acts (Infrastructure, IRA, and CHIPS are all climate acts) and failed to more than scuff the paint on them with the debt hostage demands.

This very year is estimated to be Peak Gasoline. Peak Transportation Fuels hits in 2026. Less oil will be sold, worldwide in 2030 than 2028. It's already happening. And weather like this is just going to usher that along. The dates I just gave may even be timid, because every time somebody has predicted the pace of renewables and batteries they've been too timid. (That said, we're down to such sort timelines, they're probably accurate.)

You've lost, it's all over but the shouting. Can you please stop shouting?

I never tried Twitter, just joined Mastodon late last year, puzzled that people would think it more difficult. I've had an eye on the Mastodon user counter. For a while there, Mastodon was going up by 300,000 and more new users per week, but then those staying on Twitter stuck, and it fell off over a month or so to less than 100,000/week last June 6. It ticked up, slowly at first, but about five days ago just surged, now running at 450,000/week. That's a jump of 350,000/week, or 50,000/day, presumably mostly migrating from Reddit.

Perhaps it shows how many were just waiting for the kick in the ass they needed to leave a monopoly and into a free market for services.