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Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

This has all been a miscommunication, I think. I was not saying robots are incapable of feeling a sense of accomplishment, only that if it is easy for them, they will feel less of one because there has been less overcome. Admittedly that was not what was written; I assume people would focus on the analogy (helicopter pilot vs. mountain climber, not helicopter vs. mountain climber) and understand what was intended. The end result is that a person who does something, even in a society when it is no longer necessary, can still feel satisfaction at their achievement.

Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

This has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

a) in the context of the quotation, artificial beings who were accepted as having genuine emotions existed.

b) my statement was that "humans can still feel accomplishment even if robots make their work unnecessary." The only implementation of any relevance was the human one.

c) an accomplishment is defined by the obstacles you overcome to achieve it, so it does not need to be special. You, as a human, faced the challenge with more obstacles than a purpose-built machine.

That all being said, I'm detecting some really profound anti-AI chauvinism here. Subjectivity is about how evidence from your environment influences your thoughts and decisions; if a mind can process well-formed hypotheses and beliefs, then it can judge itself to have accomplished something. There are two problems with your last paragraph:

a) How do you, personally, know that everyone around you isn't lying to your face about what they believe? Claiming AI would be non-genuine because you can't "detect" anything more is no different. There would be debugging procedures both equivalent to, and much more powerful than, the fMRI we currently use to detect (what we think are) genuine emotions in humans.

b) It would be impossible to build an AI that behaved fully human without either copying a human template or understanding how it worked. If the human template is copied, then the new model has no appreciable difference; if the AI built from scratch, we'd know for certain how experiences would affect its decision-making.

Comment Re:A sense of stupidity (Score 1) 732

That does not diminish the personal sense of accomplishment of the endeavour. There are plenty of inadvisable and dangerous recreational activities—parkour, skydiving, and deep-sea diving to name but a handful. Humans have undertaken hazardous physical challenges for sport since the dawn of time, and no amount of fretting over it will curtail that.

Challenges are defined by the limitations and risks you face them with. Whether or not you approve of people confronting particular ones because they are extremely dangerous really doesn't contribute anything at all to this conversation or affect the validity of the analogy.

Comment Re:A sense of stupidity (Score 1) 732

But it's not meant to be; it's recreational. Two forms of recreation are compared. That is an entirely sensible metaphor that none of the other respondents had trouble grasping. Plenty of people, entirely free of personality defects, go rock climbing simply for the challenge! This is in no way unusual. You are not precluded from climbing a mountain (again, recreationally) just because someone else flew a helicopter to the top.

Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

In fact, Everest has been climbed by a helicopter (and it was unbelievably difficult and dangerous) and some really impressive music has been composed by what is far from a strong AI (even if it is relatively formulaic).

But neither of these two things have anything to do with my actual point.

Even in a hypothetical world where excellence itself is obviated by technology, or some race of superior beings, or even by mere changing tastes, the challenge itself still exists. Every time someone faces an obstacle it is a reflection on their own upbringing and personal history, and that is equally if not more important than the actual magnitude of (artistic) accomplishment. Even if—no, when—all you say about human standards of beauty fades, and there is nothing left remotely humanlike to judge subjective aesthetics, the achievements of those who lived and worked and created will not be diminished. Neither the sands of time nor the mountainous shoulders of giants yet unborn having any bearing upon this.

Comment Re:Isn't this the ultimate goal? (Score 1) 732

Everest was actually my original example, but I changed it because, although (as everyone else has now pointed out) while it's been done, you're right, it's incredibly dangerous and possibly even harder to do than climbing by hand. If this does not satisfy you, substitute some sort of high-atmosphere, highly manoeuvrable balloon or space craft. The general point remains: respect (especially in art) comes not just from what you do, but how you do it.

Science

Why Transitivity Violations Can Be Rational 169

ananyo writes "Organisms, including humans, are often assumed to be hard-wired by evolution to try to make optimal decisions, to the best of their knowledge. Ranking choices consistently — for example, in selecting food sources — would seem to be one aspect of such rationality. If A is preferred over B, and B over C, then surely A should be selected when the options are just A and C? This seemingly logical ordering of preferences is called transitivity. Furthermore, if A is preferred when both B and C are available, then A should 'rationally' remain the first choice when only A and B are at hand ... But sometimes animals do not display such logic. For example, honeybees and gray jays have been seen to violate the Independence of Irrational Alternatives, and so have hummingbirds ... Researchers have now used a theoretical model to show that, in fact, violations of transitivity can sometimes be the best choice (original paper) for the given situation, and therefore rational. The key is that the various choices might appear or disappear in the future. Then the decision becomes more complicated than a simple, fixed ranking of preferences. So while these choices look irrational, they aren't necessarily."
Crime

Man Shot To Death For Texting During Movie 1431

An anonymous reader writes "The New York Times reports that an argument over texting ended in a cellphone user's death when a retired police officer in the audience shot him in a theater near Tampa, Florida on Monday. The report notes that 'cinema executives acknowledged during a trade conference last year that they debated whether to accommodate younger viewers by allowing text messages during some movies.'"

Comment Re:First! (Score 2) 254

Queen Elizabeth I owned a wristwatch. They were a popular piece of women's fashion amongst aristocrats in the 16th and 17th centuries. People have been wearing portable watches of one form or another almost since the invention of the mainspring, although they were very lousy timepieces. Even the Romans had pocket-sundials. All of this was possible because, unlike early computers and mobile phones, they weren't hideous bricks; early pendant-watches could be styled in a wide variety of manners, including highly decorated bird-shapes and egg-shapes. Wearable computing still really faces the same challenges—when miniaturization and materials have evolved to the point that sufficient processing can be added to a normal-looking garment or accessory, there will be no problem.

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