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Comment Give 'em the Kevin Trudeau treatment (Score 1) 297

Those of us of a certain age remember infomercial huckster Kevin Trudeau. He published books with titles like "Secrets they don't want you to know" on topics from weight loss to cancer cures to personal finance. All of them were bullshit, of course, and he was ultimately sentenced to 10 years in prison after repeatedly evading court-ordered restitution while maintaining an opulent lifestyle. Before that, he entered into a consent decree with the FTC requiring him to post a $10 million bond before publishing another book.

Comment Re:Not anti-vax (Score 2) 297

Actually, we should not be mandating vaccines for ANYONE. Do you know why Mengele was considered a war criminal? Because his patients didn't have a choice. Think about that long and hard.

So, vaccine mandates are the equivalent of Mengele's worthless medical torture^X experiments.

Yup, you're an anti-vaxxer's anti-vaxxer from the word go.

Comment Re:Not anti-vax (Score 5, Insightful) 297

Itâ(TM)s frustrating to me that any discussion of vaccines gets me immediately annihilated as an âoeanti vaxxer.â Iâ(TM)m not anti anything, other than anti-bullshit.

You are an anti-vaxxer because your comment parrots several bits of shopworn anti-vax propaganda.

For example with covid, study after study has shown that if youâ(TM)ve already had covid, you donâ(TM)t NEED a vaccine.

Absent a positive PCR test, how do you know you previously had COVID? Absent an immune titer test, how do you know you have adequate protection against COVID? And why should the possibility of natural immunity stop you from obtaining the practical certainty of immunity that the vaccines confer? Also, how effective is your "natural" "immunity" against the variants, much less how much more effective is it against the variants?

Previously infected individuals possess natural immunity just as strong as vaccination

You're grasping at straws to justify not getting the vaccination. That makes you an anti-vaxxer.

A large-scale (5 million) study by Denmark using PCR tests, found a 0.65% reinfection rate, and researches gave an 80% efficacy to natural immunity following infection. Compare that to the Johnson&Johnson vaccine, which has a 67% efficacy.

Grasping at straws again. Cherry-picking. And you just contradicted yourself.

Denmarkâ(TM)s study also examined 48 published scholarly articles that found reinfection rates to be less than 1%.

So you probably can't get COVID again after having been infected. That's excellent news. I'd rather get the immunity from some shots than risk death or disability from the virus, TYVM.

Natural immunity's biggest problem is that it doesn't make politicians powerful or CEOs rich.

Yup, there it is, another shopworn anti-vax lie. The health care industry makes a shitload more money treating sick people than it does from prevention. If what you said was true, then the industry would want people to get infected rather than lose money from getting vaccinated.

Comment Re:There's no need to censor anybody (Score 1) 297

âoeIf the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, Iâ(TM)ll be the first in line to take it, absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, Iâ(TM)m not taking it,â - Kamala Harris October 7th 2020.

Translation: "If the former president says the sky is blue, then I'm going to assume it's green unless and until I've had a chance to go out and see for myself that it's blue." Given the former president's record going back the better part of four decades, I'd say that's an entirely reasonable position.

Comment Re:There's no need to censor anybody (Score 4, Insightful) 297

I don't intend to get vaccinated and the reason is I don't trust the government.

Your mistrust of government seems to be selective. On the one hand, you won't get a life-saving vaccine because of your supposed mistrust of the government, yet here you seem to uncritically accept what the Air Force says about the trillion-dollar boondoggle that is the F-35. So yeah, I think you're just trying to get your rocks off by "owning the libs".

Comment Re:And yet (Score -1, Troll) 79

Would you care to address left wing disinformation?

There is no left wing in America. Americans have been propagandized by the likes of Fox News to the point where they see anything to the left of permitting Jeff Bezos to hunt poor people for sport as communism. The debate over whether to unionize Amazon or let it continue to fistfuck you is the mainstream versus the right wing. If the Democrats were truly left wing, they would be calling for Amazon to be nationalized rather than unionized.

Comment Re:Blame the media and their hyperpartisanship (Score 3, Insightful) 79

link to an "unbiased" source such as the NY Times or Washington Post...

Lost me right there. The WaPo and the NYT are legitimate journalistic organisations that actively make an effort to be truthful and objective. Fox News, OANN, Newsmax, and Sidney Powell, OTOH, are trying to avoid being put out of business by Dominion, et al., by claiming in court documents that they are purveyors of entertainment that no reasonable person would take seriously. There is simply no comparison between the two. So yeah, take your false equivalence and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Comment Re:Yes, we know (Score 4, Insightful) 79

Squelching debates (which is what this misinformation prevention is about) is a terrible, terrible idea and that should be very apparent to thinking people these days.

No.

One, some viewpoints are not worthy of serious debate by serious people. Do we need to "look at both sides" of the "debate" on whether the Holocaust happened? Do we take the views of people like David Irving seriously? Absolutely not. Those people are best ridiculed, ignored for their own good and, in some particularly rare and egregious cases, criminally prosecuted.

Two, we're not talking about serious people trying to engage in a serious debate, but rather about deliberate, harmful disinformation promulgated by a small number of people acting in bad faith and with intent to cause harm.

Comment That's because they're on Moscow's payroll (Score 0) 79

Sounds farfetched? It isn't. Former UK Labour leader and would-be Prime Minister Michael Foot (a/k/a Agent Boot) took money from the KGB to publish Soviet propaganda*.

*Yes, I know The Sun is a tabloid and thus not normally a reputable source, but this article's reporting on the content of Ben MacIntyre's book is accurate. IOW, a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Here's another article about Foot taking money from the KGB.

Submission + - Report: 65% of social media anti-vax propaganda comes from just 12 people 3

jhylkema writes: Just 12 people account for the lion's share of anti-vaccination propaganda posted to three of the leading social media outlets, according to a study from a London-based group opposed to online hate and disinformation. According to the NPR report, a study (PDF file) conducted by the Centre for the Countering of Digital Hate identified the "Disinformation Dozen" people, including RFK Jr., Joseph Mercola, and Sherri Tenpenny, who account for 65% of the anti-vaccine content posted to Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, and 73% of the same posted to Facebook. In its study, the group blasts the social media companies for allowing their platforms to be abused and calls for them to be de-platformed. "Living in full view of the public on the internet are a small group of individuals who... are abusing social media platforms to misrepresent the threat of Covid and spread misinformation about the safety of vaccines," the study said in its introduction. "Facebook, Google and Twitter have put policies into place to prevent the spread of vaccine misinformation; yet to date, all have failed to satisfactorily enforce those policies."

Comment Re: Science everyone understands... (Score 4, Insightful) 445

I think its doing pretty good at a 99.98% survival rate for my age. I trust it more than I trust some yahoos that pushed out a vaccine in under a year which has around a 3% adverse rate.

You are a selfish ignoramus asshole.

If you get infected, you might very well end up in an ICU and on a ventilator at a cost of north of $100,000 which I'm guessing you don't have, so guess who has to pay for it? Oh yeah, the rest of us. Also, long COVID is very much a thing that exists. It can cause lung damage, cognitive impairment, and a whole host of other problems that could very well hamper your ability to earn a living. Guess what? Then we have to support you on disability. And as mentioned, you then become a vector for mutations that the current vaccines don't work against. That puts us right back to square one, doesn't it? Or, you could get one of the very highly effective vaccines and do the rest of us and yourself a favour, but oh no, you just have to be an American, don't you?

Sometimes, living in a civilised society comes at a price, whether it's paying taxes, (mostly) obeying the law, jury duty, or getting vaccinated so that you're not spreading lethal pathogens.

(Yes, I'm feeling pissy today)

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