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Comment Re:Good (Score 1) 1143

thats all fine... I quantify my purchases in the same manner (non financial reasons). Its just that things like hybrids (I own a prius), LED lights (I have tons), solar panels (I currently have 15KW) and the like are always accompanied with similar claims about how they will save you money and when a person sits down and does some honest math on the total cost (including TME and opportunity cost) it never pens out. I still do these things... mostly... but I do them for different reasons other than money (not environmental reasons... just personal reasons like self reliance and whatnot).

I just saw you basically say "20 months and im rich" and said holy shit... I cant keep letting stuff like that slide....

Comment Re:Good (Score 1) 1143

That is a fair point, $4,000 is indeed a decent amount of money.

That being said, the payback on my power bill is about 20 months, that is the break even point, after all it is pure profit.

I financed the thing over 60 months at 4.9% anyway, so the monthly payment isn't actually that bad and the lower power bill offsets about half of the monthly payment, so my actual out of pocket costs isn't all that high each month, less than our family cell phone bills, and we just made a big cut in our carbon foot print.

sooo... if its 60 months of payments and the savings each month makes half a payment isnt that a 120 month payback? Actually much worse if you figure you could get a 5% return on that cash if you invested it. soo... 10 years+ on an a/c until which might crap out in 9.... I just cant see a payoff... like ever...

Comment Re:Which company bought this 'new' rule? (Score 1) 1143

I lived in a house with a wood-burning fireplace, and it was cool, but it got awfully smoky.

You are correct that wood stoves are a source of dangerous pollution. They're dangerous for the people outside the house, but they're even more dangerous for the people inside the house. It's about as dangerous as smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, which takes about 10 years off your life expectancy.

you had a shitty stove and it was not set up properly. If you get a decent stove and adjust it properly it will draw air from the room and wont smoke out the chimney. if you get ANY smoke or smell in the house the air is flowing the wrong direction and you should probably find another way to heat your house until someone dials it in and teaches you the basics.

Comment Re:Wages as share of GDP dropping since 1972 (Score 1) 754

Uh oh. I see the problem. Where does the 3rd party fit in? Some other person, like a government bureaucrat, intellectual elitist who doesn't actually do work for money, or politician pandering for popular votes... where can that person inject their bullshit in this scenario. A problem indeed!

THIS!

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