Sony has become evil, and I hate them for it.

But, that does not make stealing something slated for later sale moral. If I want a new video game, and it won't be released until October, so I break into the store and steal a case of games in August, how is it a benefit to society? Won't society benefit more if they are sold legally? The kid working in the game store, the UPS man who delivers them, the pizza store next to the game store...they would all prefer the product to be legally sold.

Jackson recorded them for the purpose of making money and/or providing a funding legacy for "his" children. So I don't see how stealing them is somehow moral. If Sony had decided to never release them, this would be one thing....but it is not. Please explain to me how the fact that Sony had not sold them yet makes it moral to steal them.

Also what does the name "NITRO" have to do with this in anyway? The original plant was set up to make nitrocellulose, also known as gun cotton. What does that have to do with chemical weapons, Agent Orange, or herbicides?

Nitrocellulose was gun powder. It was also used to make cue balls, movie film, and wood coatings.

So what? Aside from being very flammable, it's not even that dangerous, nor is it an explosive...

Huh?

First of all, Agent Orange was not a chemical weapon. It was a nasty chemical and it injured my father-in-law and his children--my wife included--but that was collateral damage from what was intended as a defoliant. It was intended to clear tree cover and/or destroy food crops (though that was more Blue than Orange).

The really nasty chemical in Agent Orange was actually a contaminant; ,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin. It was not supposed to be there at all.

Agent Orange was supposed to be a 50:50 mixture of (2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxy)acetic acid and (2,4-dichlorophenoxy)acetic acid.

I agree with snowgirl, the article title was for emotional impact. It's like saying "KNOWN CHEMOTHERAPY INGREDIENT "NORMAL SALINE" FOUND DUMPED NEAR SCHOOL!"

How dare he be old! Stupid jerk...he should know that once you get old, you are instantly disgusting and should report to a Sleepshop on lastday.

If they're so tough, why do they hide under a rock?

Wish I had mod points. You've made the only intelligent argument in the thread today.

Exactly...does anyone here really have that "action movie" idea that some massive mainframe inside CIA headquarters is really running the CIA website? And that it's not just farmed out to some contractor like rackspace?

When a guy breaks into your house and steals your belongings, "Hey, he had a lousy alarm system and was gone over Labor Day Weekend, he was asking for it!"

A rapist: "She was wearing a provocative outfit! Anyone could see that she was asking for it".

Now these script kiddies: "Hey, we broke in and found plaintext! Sony was asking for it."

Same logic. "It's not my fault, you did not prevent me from committing a crime so it is your fault. I am not responsible for my criminal actions, you are. You are also responsible for the third-parties I hurt because you did not adequately prevent me from doing it".

Everyone should have learned the following quote in High School, if not earlier:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

-- Evelyn Hall, in a summation of her read of Voltaire.

Wikileaks and their supporters claim to be for the unrestricted flow of information, even when this information could cost lives. I can understand their idealism; when I first read the Hall quote I was swept up in a patriotic-like fervor, willing to give my life for the cause of free speech. That idealism is why we send young men off to war...as we get older, we're less willing to just throw our lives away because somebody told us to. Men may still be willing to die for a cause, but the cause has to be greater.

I had assumed that the Wikileaks kids were under a similar grand unified cause, but as time has gone on, they seem to be targeting which causes they want to "attack". Big corporations and the USA/their allies. They don't seem to attack Russia or other powerful nations who may choose to fight back.

Even the famous video released by Wikileaks has been edited twice. We don't know what was cut out the first time, but in the second details like a man carrying a rocket launcher were removed. This is not "open", this is yellow journalism. I really wonder who is actually funding Wikileaks behind-the-scenes.

So I am not surprised that the Wikileaks people or their fan club attack their critics. When a show like Frontline shows them in a good light, they celebrate it. And when it shows them in a bad light, they attack, trying to silence the messenger.

"We don't like what you say, so you don't have the right to say it"

Clearly not something that would be promoted by Voltaire.

I cannot believe the CS crowd that still uses TI calculators, or that anyone takes them seriously. Where I went to school, algebraic calculators were for high-school kids and English majors. If you were math, science or engineering, you had an HP and used RPN. Anything else is kids stuff.

So when was this written? 1975? This is totally outdated. I see anti-Utah crap on Slashdot all the time, including total fantasy about the difficulty of obtaining caffeinated soda in Utah. Most of the Mormons I know live on Coke or Mountain Dew; it's one of the few vices they can have.

They can advertise now. That law was passed in the early 1990s and overturned sometime in the late 1990s, long before the 2002 Olympics. I think it lasted like five years; basically, it was a "bribe" to some Mormon lawmakers. They agreed to ban advertising in return for liberalizing the rules on alcohol in restaurants. But that is all long past. Except in your head.

The "private club" law for full liquor service was abolished three years ago.

You can buy full-strength beer at the liquor stores, brewpubs, or directly from the "factory stores" of the microbreweries. There are at least 10 microbreweries in Salt Lake alone. Epic Brewing on State Street in Salt Lake, just a mile straight down from the capitol building and even closer to the Mormon Temple, sells 9%+ beers right off the shelf. http://www.epicbrewing.com/

This is still true about wine and liquor being sold only in state stores, but it's been decades since they were hidden off in the middle of nowhere. And a LOT of states have that restriction. In Wisconsin, after 10PM I could not even buy Ginger Ale at the grocery store as it was considered a "mixer" and the entire aisle in the grocery store was LOCKED OFF behind metal gates.

The Utah state liquor stores started changing this around 1977 with the wine store in Salt Lake's landmark Trolley Square shopping center. There are beautiful stores in prime areas of Salt Lake now, including a large new store right across from Cottonwood Mall. These are modern beverage stores with large stocks of wine, reviews, magazines, etc.

Again, the private club system was ended in 2009. It had eased up before that. I'm not saying that in Mexican Hat or Delta or some other town of 137 residents that it may not be a problem, I'm just saying you need to stop bitching about this and find something current to complain about.

Really? I'd say a dry county (like where Jack Daniels is made) where you are forbidden to buy or even DRINK alcohol is much stricter.

While the US system has it's roots in the British Empire system, they are NOT the same.

The US system broke off and established it's own measurement standards after gaining independence in the Revolutionary War (known in England as the War Of Stupid Snotty Idiots Over There) in 1783.

The Imperial System was not standardized until 1824, and there are differences.

The US still is standardized behind-the-scenes on SI units, and are used in science, medicine, by the US government, military, etc.

There was a heavy-handed push to suddenly convert everyone to metric in the late-1970s and was handled so badly that the backlash is still felt now; things like gas stations suddenly sold fuel in liters, but the old mechanical pumps read in gallons. Some changed had been made to make the pumps count in liter fractions, but at a lot of stations you had to do some math (before everyone had a handheld calculator) to figure out what you actually owed (multiply the price by 1.4 or something) and a lit of small stations certainly "rounded" things to there favor. Grocery stores, and other places often had similar problems, and consumers left feeling like

I remember filling my mother's car and the total in liters was like 3l more than the tank could hold in gallons.

Americans don't like the government telling them how to live. That's why we left Europe in the first place. And once they felt like they were being cheated--the metric conversions always seemed to work out in favor of the seller--the government had to back off.

Same here. I lost it after I saw that cartoon.

That's really unfair to assume that the poster must be American, since Tom Baker and Elisabeth Sladen were the team that introduced Doctor Who to the USA, and are still the most beloved here by most viewers.

I'm not a huge Tom Baker fan (Peter Davision was my favorite, because he had better stories), but Elisabeth Sladen was my favorite companion. I recall at 13 having tears in my eyes when she left the Tardis.

To me, Elisabeth Sladen will always be Sara-Jane Smith.

I could go on a rant here about the English always complaining how awful all Americans are, and then talk about one of my grandfathers getting half his head blown off saving your nation (and a great uncle got gassed saving it 30 years earlier when y'all started the previous war you then wanted us to bail you out of), but this is not the place for it.

And, you *DO* sound "like a hater".