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Comment Re:Communications (Score 1) 80

you do realize that the communication issue is still there, right?

their plan:
send robot, robot says "i'm going in the cave, talk to you in a few hours".
a few minutes later, mission control on earth hears the message.
robot goes down the cave, takes pictures and samples, then comes back up.
robot says "ok guys, I'm back, here's the pictures, I'll have more on the samples in a few hours".

your plan:
send man, man says "i'm going in the cave, talk to you in a few hours".
a few minutes later, mission control on earth hears the message.
man goes down the cave, takes pictures and samples, says "wow", then comes back up.
man says "ok guys, I'm back, check my facebook page for the pictures, I'll have more on the samples in a few hours".

Science

Submission + - What are the implications of finding the Higgs Boson?

PhunkySchtuff writes: "OK, so we're all hearing the news that they've found the Higgs boson.
What are some of the more practical implications that are likely to come out of this discovery?
I realise it's hard to predict this stuff — who would have thought that shining a bright light on a rod of ruby crystal would have lead to digital music on CDs and being able to measure the distance to the moon to an accuracy of centimetres?
If the Higgs boson is the particle that gives other particles mass, would our being able to manipulate the Higgs lead to being able to do things with mass such as we can do with electromagnetism? Will we be able to shield or block the Higgs from interacting with other particles, leading to a reduction in mass (and therefore weight?) Are there other things that this discovery will lead to in the short to medium term?"
Technology

Submission + - Higgs boson-like particle discovery claimed at LHC! (bbc.co.uk) 1

packetspike writes: "Cern scientists reporting from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) have claimed the discovery of a new particle consistent with the Higgs boson.

The particle has been the subject of a 45-year hunt to explain how matter attains its mass.

Both of the Higgs boson-hunting experiments at the LHC see a level of certainty in their data worthy of a "discovery".

More work will be needed to be certain that what they see is a Higgs, however.

The results announced at Cern (European Organization for Nuclear Research), home of the LHC in Geneva, were met with loud applause and cheering.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18702455"

The Internet

Submission + - ACTA rejected by European Parliament (torrentfreak.com)

Grumbleduke writes: Today the European Parliament voted overwhelmingly to reject the controversial Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement. Despite attempts by the EPP Group to delay the vote until after the Courts have ruled on its legality, the Parliament voted against the Treaty by 478 to 39; apparently the biggest ever defeat the Commission has suffered.

However, despite this apparent victory for the Internet, transparency and democracy, the Commission indicated that it will press ahead with the court reference, and if the Court doesn't reject ACTA as well, will consider bringing it back before the Parliament.

Submission + - CERN discovers new particle (web.cern.ch)

An anonymous reader writes: CERN has announced the discovery of a new particle. The particle seems to have properties similar to the Higgs Boson, which is a particle predicted over 50 years ago by Peter Higgs and 5 others. The new particle was discovered with a sigma value of 5. Scientifically, this qualifies as a discovery. More experiments are needed to further explore the nature of the new particle.
Science

Submission + - Higgs 1

The Bad Astronomer writes: "Scientists at CERN announced today the discovery of a new fundamental subatomic particle that is almost certainly the Higgs boson — a particle that is crucial in giving other particles mass.

The new particle has a mass of about 125 — 126 GeV (roughly 125 times the mass of a proton) which is just what the Higgs mass is predicted to be by the Standard Model of particle physics. A signal was seen in preliminary results from 2011, but observations since then have raised the confidence level hugely: the strength of the signal indicates it is real to the 5 sigma level — that is, with 99.9999% confidence. In physics, that qualifies as a "discovery". This is a monumental step in particle physics, and toward our understanding of one of the most fundamental and mysterious properties of matter in the Universe: mass."

Comment Re:Counting and measurement are distinct concepts (Score 1) 404

no, you're wrong. when the hunter gatherer decides whether or not to make camp in a clearing, they need to count how many tents will fit into the area, i.e. measure the area with the unit "tent"; they will round down to get the maximum number of tents. when they decide to call friends in order to carry pieces of a kill back to the village, they divide the weight of the kill by the quantity that one friend can carry; they will round up to get the minimum number of friends.
measurement is counting, even if you round the result up or down.
personally, I think there are problems with the methods used by the researchers for this result. even if they were right and these people don't see that integers have the same properties as certain points on a straight line, it would still be irrelevant with respect to the naturalness of putting numbers on a line. It would just mean they didn't need to work with numbers a lot.

Comment agriculture (Score 2) 404

Once a significant percentage of the population becomes interested in measuring pieces of land for various purposes, people will start associating numbers to lines.
Because the amount of food is proportional to the surface of your land, and then... I personally feel it's quite natural, in this context, to associate numbers to geometrical constructs.

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