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Comment Re:Relevant??? (Score 1) 524

Problem is that this is a battle won. You're losing a war in US right now, as they have effectively taken over much of the education system. It's why this problem which was contained in universities until recently is now spilling onto the streets of your nation.

And there are a lot more new adherents to their beliefs coming down the pipeline. Winning a battle isn't going to win you a war, and if there's anything we learned from the roots of Antifa folks in their Communist Party of Germany times, it's that there's no mercy for those that gave them mercy.

Personally I think the US is heading for splitting up, and I advocate for a peaceful split up. Then Portland can implement whatever the brownshirts want and the rest of the country can go on an Americans (even if we have a new name).

Comment Re:Hypocrisy is strong in this one (Score 1) 524

It's true, but pretty much everyone involved has described MAD as insane. It's an incredibly risky strategy that is necessary because there isn't a supra-national force that can enforceably arbitrate disputes between superpowers. Nevertheless, the superpowers and the rest of the international community works hard to provide such an organization, and to prevent acquisition of nukes by smaller countries.

And there's the rub. I can't think of a supranational force that I'd entrust to run more than a lemonade stand. The UN is an utter joke, completely corrupt and political. The UN pursues expediency over what is right at every turn. I recognize that life is not black and white, there's a ton of gray, but I really can't think of a supranational organization that comes close to having the ethics required to be a trusted, fair, and impartial final arbiter. Moreover even if there was such an organization it wouldn't be accepted by corrupt and vicious regimes. Can you imagine China giving a care when told to stop disappearing Falon Gung or Uighurs?

Comment Re:Hmmm.... (Score 1) 524

Start with the lives that are given the least priority in society. And right now that is black lives (or maybe undocumented immigrant lives).

Do you have proof that black lives are given the least priority? They get special privileges in terms of college admissions, affirmative action in the workplace, minority set asides for small businesses. That does not sound like a group with the least priority.

The problem with All Lives Matter is that it tacitly seems to accept the status quo, that nothing needs to change, that we're all as equal as we're ever going to be so don't bother improving it.

This is an interesting criticism regarding accepting the status quo. I disagree. If the goal is to end police brutality, specifically cases that result in death, then All Lives Matter isn't bad. It also includes all groups within the US across ethnicity / socioeconomic / religious / etc. If All Lives Matter is too politicized at this point I could accept that too but something more neutral and inclusive should be found.

Black Lives Matter is absolutely not a put down for white lives or hispanic lives, it is not trying to elevate black lives to be superior to others or to be divisive. Black Lives Matter is a desparate cry of "we matter too!"

I hear this occasionally, but there's no getting around Black Lives Matter does not come off as inclusive. Moreover BLM is silent whenever police brutality happens to any group other than blacks, which further proves that it is specific to police brutality on black people and everyone else is on their own. Then the very BLM protesters have the nerve to ask very loudly why everyone doesn't join them at their protests. When you're not an ally to others it's disingenuous to loudly complain when others aren't an ally to you.

Comment Re:Relevant??? (Score 1) 524

Your self righteous response ignores that there have been many completely peaceful protests in the last two weeks that were assaulted by the police.

If you'd like an example, Trump's photo op was proceeded by attacking a peaceful protest.

That one sounds mixed as a curfew (due to previous rioters) was in place for the city and the protesters weren't moving. I'm always torn as I like both order as well as the right to protest. In this case it looks like the order crowd may have been a bit hasty but the protesters weren't as innocent as it sounds.

Comment Re:Hypocrisy is strong in this one (Score 1) 524

Sounds like you're confusing rioters for protesters

No, that would be the people attacking the protesters.

After all, the police attacked a completely peaceful protest for a photo op to show how tough they are on rioters.

It's a big country. It's likely that someone somewhere may have overstepped the bounds and did attack a peaceful protest. On the other hand there is no denying that those windows got broken and fires started by someone. Do you have a specific incident in mind or are you throwing out generalities?

Comment Re:Hypocrisy is strong in this one (Score 1) 524

I don't misunderstand it at all. I agree with you, an eye for an eye is a codification of an ancient policy aimed at limiting the damage of retributive justice. So is the judge/jury system.

Human nature isn't do do unto plus a bit more. It's to destroy the aggressor's ability to harm you and your group. It's a good survival strategy when you're a small tribe with sticks. It gets more and more dangerous as the size of your tribe grows, until it's positively mad when you've got nukes.

I like what you did there. MAD is exactly what has kept us out of nuclear war.

Comment Re:Hmmm.... (Score 1) 524

There is. Tackle police brutality as a topic, not only when it applies to black people. Stop police brutality applies to everyone (potentially) and builds a very broad coalition of supporters including me. BLM on the other hand is a divisive scheme, that's why the media is so happy to promote it. That's also why the obvious name, All Lives Matter, had to be vilified quickly by calling it racist. Whatever doesn't fit the divisive narrative is called racist.

If someone responded to "Save the rainforest" with "What about the deciduous forests? All forests matter", you would think they were a moron.

I like this response, it's given me something to ponder which is great. Thank you.

The only reason to get twisted up about BLM is if you feel threatened by black empowerment.

Bad idea to guess others motives, it's merely shooting in the dark. To be honest I'm not sure what black empowerment means. They are by law as empowered as anyone else, more if you consider that they get extra perks (eg college score boosts, affirmative action, set asides, extra privileges, etc). I'm really not sure what additional empowerment that community is looking for. What right do they not have that others do?

"Black lives matter" means "Black Lives Matter (too)". It's so obvious it should even need to be stated.

Yet it's only rarely stated. Moreover when police do something awful to anyone who isn't black it's crickets chirping from BLM. That speaks volumes about how much the BLM is a self serving organization. BLM asks for allies yet is never an ally itself.

Yes, everyone is oppressed by police brutality, but black people are extra oppressed because they are at the bottom rung of a system that subjugates (almost) everyone. BLM is a reaction against a system that values their lives less than other people's. However, the same injustices that affect them disproportionately also affect you. Therefore their liberation is also yours.

Bottom rung of a system is more complicated than you're letting on and really could be a thread in it's own right.

So why is it so hard to say "Yes, Black lives matter"? Does it take anything away from you? Do you think if you fixed policing so they stopped brutalizing black folks, they would still go after everyone else? Or is it more reasonable to conclude that the reforms they are asking for would make everyone's interactions with the police safer so it would be a good idea to support them?

At core I find the phrase borderline offensive because I'm a fan of everyone following the same rules, not special rules for favored groups. To that end singling any one group out goes against my grain. If you want to hold up banners or the like only for your tribe that's your right. I support holding police to account when they do bad deeds regardless of the race of the victim.

Comment Re:Hypocrisy is strong in this one (Score 2) 524

People show support for police brutality in a number of ways. One is when they demonize black people by calling them all thugs, insinuating that there is no reasoning with them. If you need something a little more concrete - Trump wanted to release dogs on protesters in front of the White House. Or do you need me to take a million screenshots of people advocating violence against protesters? I could make a carousel picture gallery for you.

Sounds like you're confusing rioters for protesters. Once fires and looting starts the rules change.

Comment Re:Hypocrisy is strong in this one (Score 2) 524

People generally support various aspects of retributive justice. Tough on crime. Mandatory minimum sentencing. War on drugs. Capital punishment.

It's a very human thing. An eye for an eye is in the bible. Thing is, it doesn't work very well. Rehabilitative justice and community support is much more effective, both in terms of outcomes and cost, but it's less direct. It doesn't give your monkey brain the satistfaction that vengeance does.

You misunderstand the idea behind an eye for an eye. Human nature is to do unto others what they did to you plus a little. Eye for an eye keeps it from escalating.

Comment Re:Relevant??? (Score 1) 524

That's yesterday's mass media lie to somehow pretend that Antifa folks are not terrorising people.

Considering the state of that CNN building and an anti-Antifa reporter who's house was shot at a day or two ago. reporters have a good reason to kneel and defend Antifa. The other option is to become victim to their targeted terrorism.

Or stand up to them. Antifa came to my area and was soundly beaten. However they were shown a mercy that they don't give others, no serious damage was done and the locals stopped once they had made their point. Call us hicks but no buildings were burned here and although many guns were present nobody was shot.

Comment Re:Relevant??? (Score 1) 524

No, white people in America just get angry over having to wear a mask and not get a haircut, grab big guns, storm state capital buildings, and yell in the faces of police. Then, they're allowed to peacefully leave.

Meanwhile, unarmed black protesters complaining of police brutality peacefully are tear gassed and shot at with rubber bullets. Sometimes, if they're black and just happen to be near a protest but not participating in it, they're pulled out of their cars and tased.

(I say this as a white American who sees the disparity in how I'm treated vs my fellow citizens who have a different skin color.)

Your self righteous rant ignores that one group was peaceful - ie no fires or looting.

Comment Re:Hmmm.... (Score 1) 524

Up here, there was this thing called the Gladue report done back in the 90's. It effectively went on about the injustice of natives and how because of residential schools, that they should have special sentencing guidelines, where offenders are handled with kid gloves. Effectively it meant that even violent offenders were handled with kid gloves, and all there is, is escalation of crimes. You can see people with 200+ violent offences from rape and armed robbery, to attempted murder under their belt, before they're actually put into jail.

Sounds like in Canada some animals are more equal than others. One of the oddities in life is liberals typically talk a lot about equality but are seeking equality of outcome and thus prefer to distort the situation to get that (eg quotas, special sentencing guidelines for certain groups, set asides in government contracts, affirmative action, etc). This results in massive inequalities at the personal level as individuals are sacrificed on the alter of the greater good as envisioned by said liberals. Conservatives favor one set of rules for everyone and call that equality. Neither system is fair in the sense that all factors are accounted for but the conservative approach of one set of rules for everyone seems to come the closer and is definitely easier to explain than "too many Asians have been admitted to this college already so your test scores must be 140 points higher" or "not too many qualified black applicants so their test scores get a boost of 230" all in the name of equality.

Comment Re:Hypocrisy is strong in this one (Score 2, Insightful) 524

It's tough when a large faction of our society actively, even passionately supports police brutality.

You say that but where's the proof? You have to go to trolls at the margins to find anyone supporting the specific case of holding down George Floyd. I've read many a commentary, both liberal and conservative, but haven't seen anyone saying that the police were justified in that case. As close as I've seen is do an investigation then charge, which is how the justice system is supposed to work, so even that isn't a show of support. Please show something that supports your claim.

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