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Comment Re:Monty's laboring under a misconclusion (Score 1) 212

Hi!

So I will repeat myself one more time, you are free to do what you want with what you write.

I said nothing about what Oracle or Sun should do. I have pointed out that the dual license model is a viable business model.

What I have said is Richard has squandered an opportunity to address larger questions that exist for free/open source to support a model that is contrary to the promotion of additional open source software.

I see that you are trying to make some point, but I believe you are doing it at the expense of reading what I am writing.

Can I suggest you clearly write out the point you are trying to make? Giving you the benefit of doubt, I assume you have some other point you want to make beyond "the dual source model can make you money".

Comment Re:Monty's laboring under a misconclusion (Score 2, Informative) 212

Hi!

I am not sure where in histrory you will find that I have ever advocated for dual licence, since it is well known that I do not for work which I personally do (aka if you check you will find that I lean toward BSD).

Also, I believe people are free to do whatever they like with what they produce. No company doing original work should feel that they have to open source it.

What I object to is Richard's comments which I find counter to the notion at what is at the center of notion of the gpl. I seem to remember the fsf suggesting once that developers assign copyright to them to block dual license strategies. Richard's current statement seems at odds with this.

You are welcome to do whatever you like with whatever you write Bruce, but I wouldn't suggest that other developers contribute their work to you, just so that you can change the license and make a buck off them.

Comment Re:Dual Licensing is a good business model (Score 1) 212

Hi Bruce!

Please note that I say nothing about the effectiveness of dual licensing as a business model. Pay-day loans exist as a business model, but I do not find that they are healthy for the communities that they exist in.

Richard is choosing to ignore the overall health of community interaction in order to favor a business model that is in direct conflict with "free software". This is what I find to be sad in his actions.

The fact that he is squandering his opportunity to further the cause of free/open source is shameful.

-Brian

Btw I originally replied to the wrong comment from you , hence this post. The iPhone is not the greatest interface to slashdot :)

Comment Re:Monty's laboring under a misconclusion (Score 4, Interesting) 212

Hi Bruce!

Please note that I say nothing about the effectiveness of dual licensing as a business model. Pay-day loans exist as a business model, but I do not find that they are healthy for the communities that they exist in.

Richard is choosing to ignore the overall health of community interaction in order to favor a business model that is in direct conflict with "free software". This is what I find to be sad in his actions.

The fact that he is squandering his opportunity to further the cause of free/open source is shameful.

-Brian

Submission + - A Response to RMS on Dual License

krow writes: "Richard's comments on the Oracle Acquisition of Sun left me scratching my head over his continued support of the closed source licensing around open source software. Having spent more then a decade in the MySQL community I feel like his understanding that the harm is advocacy does, needs to be addressed. In pushing for the rights of the proprietary software business that lurks within the GPL, he is squandering the opportunity for the advocacy of open source within the European Union."
Businesses

Submission + - Mickos urges EU to approve Oracle's MySQL takeover (cnet.com) 1

mjasay writes: Former MySQL CEO Marten Mickos has written to EU Commissioner of Competition Neelie Kroes to urge speedy approval of Oracle's proposed purchase of Sun, including the open-source MySQL database. The EU is has been worried that Oracle's acquisition of Sun could end up hurting competition by dampening or killing MySQL's momentum. But in his letter, Mickos separates MySQL, the community, from MySQL, the company, arguing that Oracle's takeover cannot hurt the MySQL community: "Those two meanings of the term 'MySQL' stand in a close mutually beneficial interaction with each other. But, most importantly, this interaction is voluntary and cannot be directly controlled by the vendor." In a follow-up interview with CNET, Mickos indicated that he has no financial interest in the matter, but instead argues he "couldn't live with the fact that [he's] not taking action," and is "motivated now by trying to help the employees still at MySQL and Sun, and by an urge to bring rational discussion to the matter."
Databases

Submission + - PostgreSQL 8.4 Out (techworld.com.au)

TheFuzzy writes: "PostgreSQL version 8.4 is now out and available for download. The main cool features in this version are: recursive queries (for doing trees etc.), windowing functions (for doing reports, more here), column-level permissions, parallel database restore (more here), a beta in-place upgrade tool, and a host of administrative improvements. And, of course, better performance, mainly on reporting queries. Some of the over 200 new or enhanced features are listed here."

Comment Re:PostgreSQL (Score 1) 335

Hi!

When we forked for Drizzle we rewrote all of the client code so that it could go under the BSD. So for Drizzle clients only need to link against libdrizzle.

In the MySQL world? There are several public domain/LGPL/BSD client libraries out there. If you are stuck on the GPL it is just because you have not looked around.

Cheers,
      -Brian

Comment Re:PostgreSQL (Score 1) 335

Hi!

The Developer's who are working on the Drizzle's JDBC drivers are licensing these under the BSD license. I am expecting to see this difference go away over the next year or so (and not only for JDBC, but for all drivers). My personal opinion is that developers shouldn't have to get into license debates every time they go to integrate open source code.

Cheers,
      -Brian

Sun Microsystems

Submission + - Will the real MySQL please stand up? (livejournal.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Patrick Galbraith, an X core MySQL Server Engineer raises the question in "What is the official branch of MySQL?".. With Monty Widenius having left Sun and forked off MySQL for MariaDB, and Brian Aker running the Drizzle fork inside of Sun, where is the official MySQL tree? Sun may own the trademark, but it looks like there is doubt that they are still the maintainers of the actual codebase after their Billion dollar acquisition of the code a year ago. Smugmug's Don MacAskhill, who is the keynote at the upcoming MySQL Conference, has commented that he is now using the Percona version of fork of MySQL, and is no longer making use of the Sun version.

Comment Re:What about Drizzle? (Score 3, Informative) 140

Hi!

We are talking about finding a way to allow him to pull Drizzle code back into his tree. It is not a simple task though... Drizzle has been cleaned up since the fork (warnings removed, moved on to more of a C++ design, use of stdint, etc...), so he has to clean up his own tree as well before this can happen.

Cheers,
      -Brian

Comment Re:Bad article (Score 3, Informative) 223

Hi!

We typically call Drizzle a fork, since we do have a common ancestor at this point (though it is doubtful you could apply a patch between the two). We are pretty up front about this though. Drizzle is supported by Sun which the article does not mention, though we are different in that we have patches that have to date come in from 30+ companies.

OurSQL is more of a distribution then anything else. Their tree is a collection of patches they apply at each release.

Cheers,
      -Brian

Databases

Submission + - Was MySQL 5.1 released? (blogspot.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The MySQL site has 5.1 was released this last week! Their seems to be some disagreement on whether or not it was actually ready to be released or not. There are no announcements from Percona or Ourdelta or any of the other groups individuals that provide distributions and patches. Is Sun releasing software without the support of the MySQL developers?

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